Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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I agree with all of the above, I'm simply showing Hamas has unwavering support over Palestine, regardless of whatever atrocities they perpetrate.

This is the level of brainwashing the world is up against.
There are a lot of desperate people in that region but I'm not sure that Hamas does have unwavering support. I'm sure people trapped and dying there want one thing - for it to end.

Any family living through the absolute hell there must have acute PTSD. I posted the link of the surgeon presenting to the committee at Parliament the other day, desiring how Israel would drop a bomb and then send drones with guns in. Seeing him struggle as described children being targeted, it should horrify any normal mind. There is no excuse IMO.
 
There are a lot of desperate people in that region but I'm not sure that Hamas does have unwavering support. I'm sure people trapped and dying there want one thing - for it to end.

Any family living through the absolute hell there must have acute PTSD. I posted the link of the surgeon presenting to the committee at Parliament the other day, desiring how Israel would drop a bomb and then send drones with guns in. Seeing him struggle as described children being targeted, it should horrify any normal mind. There is no excuse IMO.

2/3'ds of Palestinians want Hamas in control now, and after the war.

Quite amazingly, 20% see America as the reason they're at war in the first place - such is their hatred of the West.
 

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2/3'ds of Palestinians want Hamas in control now, and after the war.

Quite amazingly, 20% see America as the reason they're at war in the first place - such is their hatred of the West.
Circumstances change. My point was that in 2006 Hamas promised change to Gazans but clearly just sought to gain power. Once in control, they have acted as a dictatorship who opened to the influence of Iran, who are not aligned to the hopes of Palestine. Similarly, I don't blame Russians for what Putin is doing in Ukraine. Look at polls there you will see similar, people expressing support for the chaos, hardship and huge loss of life, though if Putin went tomorrow I am sure the public sentiment would shift considerably. The man on the street generally wants a peaceful life with opportunity for his family. That is the same here, in Gaza, Ukraine or elsewhere.

Change is inevitable, but it's crucial to understand the control dictatorships exert over their populations. If you live in Russia and speak up against Putin bad stuff happens. Speak up against Hamas and you get some of this:



Despite the fear of what Hamas might do to the Gazan people they are finding the courage to speak out. What is on the other side of this will now forever be stained with inhumanity of Israels handling of the situation. The sad thing is that people lose sight, or haven't seen that the people of Gaza are trapped between both Hamas and Israel.
 
Despite the fear of what Hamas might do to the Gazan people they are finding the courage to speak out. What is on the other side of this will now forever be stained with inhumanity of Israels handling of the situation. The sad thing is that people lose sight, or haven't seen that the people of Gaza are trapped between both Hamas and Israel.

This right here is the most salient point, on both sides of the debate - i'm as guilty as anybody else of missing that fact.
 
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Do the more extreme anti Israel people still cling to the believe that the Jews live on stolen land?

There is a multitude of evidence to prove that it isn't so. It's not possible to steal what is rightfully yours in the first place.

The Jews weren't the first people of course to settle there, that was the Canaanites but they aren't around anymore.

Of all the communities still around the Jewish people have every right to claim that land as their own imo.

They're the next natural inheritors of that land after the Canaanites.
 
Do the more extreme anti Israel people still cling to the believe that the Jews live on stolen land?

There is a multitude of evidence to prove that it isn't so. It's not possible to steal what is rightfully yours in the first place.

The Jews weren't the first people of course to settle there, that was the Canaanites but they aren't around anymore.

Of all the communities still around the Jewish people have every right to claim that land as their own imo.

They're the next natural inheritors of that land after the Canaanites.

Dumb &£!k

The canaanites are modern day Turks and were fight the Egyptians over it long before Moses.

Also will you advocating North America and Australia to return to its rightful owners ?

Also DNA evidence shows the Palestinians were present in that region too thousands of years ago.

WHAT A NUMPTY
 
Dumb &£!k

The canaanites are modern day Turks and were fight the Egyptians over it long before Moses.

Also will you advocating North America and Australia to return to its rightful owners ?

Also DNA evidence shows the Palestinians were present in that region too thousands of years ago.

WHAT A NUMPTY

This fella summises it well.

Both Israeli's and Palestinians are indigenous to the area. Some Jews have returned to the area, some Arabs have returned to the area.

One group doesn't have any more right than the other, the sooner they get that into their heads the better.
 
This fella summises it well.

Both Israeli's and Palestinians are indigenous to the area. Some Jews have returned to the area, some Arabs have returned to the area.

One group doesn't have any more right than the other, the sooner they get that into their heads the better.
Well yes the Muslim/Arab people do have claim to some of the land as well, in fact Muslims do live in Israel. As i've said on many occasions people of all kinds of religious and cultural faiths live in Israel.

The thread title really is so badly misleading and an insult. We want all people to live together and it is more realistic for that to happen in Israel, than in some sort of Hamas controlled dictatorship/terror state.

In fact that is already happening but terrorists are trying to break it down but they will not succeed in their actions.
 
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