Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Toffeeslam]

And what came before Syria Palestina? Genuine question, have you heard of the Phillistines? Or have you just conveniently left that out your post?

Before that the Pharos and the Hittites (empire founded in today’s modern Syria/Turkey) were fighting over it.

This was before any monolithic religion we recognise was born….

Perhaps they should govern it

 

[superblue123]

Was he in the USA??? I genuinely cannot recal. The point being - there are thousands of Gazans mourning his passing and you, conveniently, dig up a dude in America as your chief witness.

Laughable

No he was a local Gazan in Gaza - someone deemed credible enough that the NYT used him as a source. Not that laughable. Take off your blinkers.

 

[superblue123]

I thought he was surrounded by human shields....

He was. With his DNA found in the tunnels where the six hostages were killed.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

We were not talking about Philistines - were talking about Jews and Palestinians. Your man needed telling that there were Arabs (or decedents of) there 3000 years ago, rubbishing his pathetic 'jews were there first, so it is ok to murder kids' bollox

It is a complex area with changing rule (Assyrian, Babalonian, Roman) but d uring Roman times, the area now known as Palestine was primarily known as Judea. After a series of Jewish revolts, particularly the Bar Kokhba Revolt, the Romans sought to diminish Jewish ties to the land. Emperor Hadrian renamed the province Syria Palaestina (Palestine) to suppress Jewish nationalism by associatnig the region with the ancient Philistines, traditional enemies of the Israelites (Israel being the former northern kingdom, Judah the kingdom to the south). This name eventually evolved into the term Palestine used now.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

He was. With his DNA found in the tunnels where the six hostages were killed.

Yet, was alone when killed….

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

It is a complex area with changing rule (Assyrian, Babalonian, Roman) but d uring Roman times, the area now known as Palestine was primarily known as Judea. After a series of Jewish revolts, particularly the Bar Kokhba Revolt, the Romans sought to diminish Jewish ties to the land. Emperor Hadrian renamed the province Syria Palaestina (Palestine) to suppress Jewish nationalism by associatnig the region with the ancient Philistines, traditional enemies of the Israelites (Israel being the former northern kingdom, Judah the kingdom to the south). This name eventually evolved into the term Palestine used now.

Exactly!!! The Palestinian people were there as well

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

He was. With his DNA found in the tunnels where the six hostages were killed.

‘Close to’

It’s bollox

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Exactly!!! The Palestinian people were there as well

I think that it is important to note that during Roman times, the term 'Palestinian' as we use it today didn’t exist in the same way. The area had diverse populations, including Jews, Samaritans, and others. The modern Palestinian identity developed much later, particularly in the 20th century. As noted in this thread, the region has been home to many peoples over the centuries, and that complex history is part of its unique cultural fabric. Additionally, it might be helpful to acknowledge that the name 'Palestine' (developed from Syria Palaestina) was originally created by the Romans to suppress Jewish ties to the land, specifically to the ancient Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, following the Jewish revolts against Roman occupation.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I think that it is important to note that during Roman times, the term 'Palestinian' as we use it today didn’t exist in the same way. The area had diverse populations, including Jews, Samaritans, and others. The modern Palestinian identity developed much later, particularly in the 20th century. As noted in this thread, the region has been home to many peoples over the centuries, and that complex history is part of its unique cultural fabric. Additionally, it might be helpful to acknowledge that the name 'Palestine' (developed from Syria Palaestina) was originally created by the Romans to suppress Jewish ties to the land, specifically to the ancient Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, following the Jewish revolts against Roman occupation.

It is a totally moot point, what I am saying is, the decedents of todays Palestinians lived in what is today called Palestine 3000 years ago - it doesn't matter what it was called then nor does it matter who else lived there. The Jews were there, so were todays Palestinians - this does not give the Israelis the right to steal land and murder its inhabitants.

Out of interest, should my wife declare herself as Pictish due to her historic roots? Perhaps go up there and demand some land?!?!

 

[larrygobfiend]

You appear to be someone that has limited experience of travel, business or politics in other nations.

Just like most of the terror supporters.

You’re well travelled aren’t you Zat

You’re one of those blokes you see around SE Asia I imagine…

 

[Toffeepot]

You appear to be someone that has limited experience of travel, business or politics in other nations.

Just like most of the terror supporters.

Three cheers for State sponsored terror then yeah?!
You appear to be someone with inflated notions about your *cough* wisdom, but in truth you are easily convinced to take a side.
Anyone with a completely partisan view of the many Middle Eastern crises is, in my opinion, 'limited'.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It is a totally moot point, what I am saying is, the decedents of todays Palestinians lived in what is today called Palestine 3000 years ago - it doesn't matter what it was called then nor does it matter who else lived there. The Jews were there, so were todays Palestinians - this does not give the Israelis the right to steal land and murder its inhabitants.

Out of interest, should my wife declare herself as Pictish due to her historic roots? Perhaps go up there and demand some land?!?!

I'm not meaning to upset you, mate, if I have, just pointing out things that are worth considering as they are a part of the problem. It's clear that the issue of historical ties to the land is deeply emotional for many people on all sides. While it's true that different peoples, including the ancestors of modern Palestinians, have lived in the region for thousands of years, it's also important to recognise that the complex history of the land doesn't neatly support modern territorial claims. Both Jews and Palestinians have deep historical and cultural connections to the land, and acknowledging that, in my opinion, doesn't justify violence or the displacement of anyone,.

Regarding your example about Pictish ancestry, I think it's useful to differentiate between historical roots and contemporary national or political claims. Just as we don't base modern property rights on ancient ancestry alone, today’s conflict is rooted in both ancestral and more recent geopolitical events. Ultimately, the path forward likely involves finding a way to respect both peoples' connections to the land while working toward a just and peaceful solution.

The sad reality is that the people in the region often have more in common than differences. Yet, as is often the case, our so-called leaders seem willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve their aims, which frequently involves lining their own pockets.

 

[superblue123]

Yet, was alone when killed….

Because they killed those six hostages.

‘Close to’

It’s bollox

I dont actually understand the point you are trying to make. Is your point that because Sinwar died in a building with two armed militants next to him that he was never next to hostages and used them as human shields?

So strange. Just come out and say that you shill for Sinwar and you are upset that he has been killed.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I'm not meaning to upset you, mate, if I have, just pointing out things that are worth considering as they are a part of the problem. It's clear that the issue of historical ties to the land is deeply emotional for many people on all sides. While it's true that different peoples, including the ancestors of modern Palestinians, have lived in the region for thousands of years, it's also important to recognise that the complex history of the land doesn't neatly support modern territorial claims. Both Jews and Palestinians have deep historical and cultural connections to the land, and acknowledging that, in my opinion, doesn't justify violence or the displacement of anyone,.

Regarding your example about Pictish ancestry, I think it's useful to differentiate between historical roots and contemporary national or political claims. Just as we don't base modern property rights on ancient ancestry alone, today’s conflict is rooted in both ancestral and more recent geopolitical events. Ultimately, the path forward likely involves finding a way to respect both peoples' connections to the land while working toward a just and peaceful solution.

The sad reality is that the people in the region often have more in common than differences. Yet, as is often the case, our so-called leaders seem willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve their aims, which frequently involves lining their own pockets.

Upset?! Haha, ffs!
I’m Merely saying the Palestinians have as much right to the land as the Jews do! They were all there in one form or another!

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Because they killed those six hostages.



I dont actually understand the point you are trying to make. Is your point that because Sinwar died in a building with two armed militants next to him that he was never next to hostages and used them as human shields?

So strange. Just come out and say that you shill for Sinwar and you are upset that he has been killed.

I don’t care for sinwar, despite most Gaza’s mourning his death, he was not for me.

As for your other point, he was killed alone, no women or children surrounding him which is the reason the idf keep giving for their mass murders of innocents.

Never believe what the idf say- it will be lies!