Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Zatara]

What is fascinating about this, is Lebanon is one of the few sovereign entities that has historically represented a vast swathe of different cultures. Shia, Sufis, Sunnis, Jews, Orthodox Christians, the Western Church etc.

It's a beacon of multi-cultralism in the region, historically speaking, and so will obvious irritate Zionist sentiment.

I think you'll find that while once you may have proudly held Lebanon as being multicultural (like Israel), I'm not sure the 24/7 gang wars where shootings between streets (as in one street shooting against the next streets' different ethnic group gang) are something to use as an example that...

"Israel is bad".

 

[Zatara]

They're psychopaths. They dont care about any systems: democratic or theocratic. They're a killing machine that needs to be broken, just like Nazi Germany.

Support Islamic, Iran backed terror cells instead...

 

[degsy]

The 'but' paradox

1) Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah are proscribed (in the US, UK, EU, CAN, AUST.) terrorist orginisations - but...
2) Yes, Israel is allowed to exist - but...

With the Australian Police at the moment appearing to waiver with regards to a planned October 7th 'protests' in Sydney and Melbourne.
Can we get rid of the conjunction 'but' ( But is a coordinating conjunction used to connect ideas that contrast.)

just sayin like.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I think you'll find that while once you may have proudly held Lebanon as being multicultural (like Israel), I'm not sure the 24/7 gang wars where shootings between streets (as in one street shooting against the next streets' different ethnic group gang) are something to use as an example that...

"Israel is bad".

Are you talking about Los Angeles?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Support Islamic, Iran backed terror cells instead...

Until you realise that Israel are the terrorists your racists views count for absolutely nothing on here, you’re the equivalent of a seagull

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

What is fascinating about this, is Lebanon is one of the few sovereign entities that has historically represented a vast swathe of different cultures. Shia, Sufis, Sunnis, Jews, Orthodox Christians, the Western Church etc.

It's a beacon of multi-cultralism in the region, historically speaking, and so will obvious irritate Zionist sentiment.

Maybe once the Hezbollah terror group get punted, and Assad and the Mullahs cast to memory Lebanon, might recapture its title as the Paris of the middle east.

 

[catcherintherye]

Maybe once the Hezbollah terror group get punted, and Assad and the Mullahs cast to memory Lebanon, might recapture its title as the Paris of the middle east.

Well respectfully I'm not really sure what relevance the point has. Assad is not in Lebanon. I don't think electing a Shia government prevents the country being a country, does it?

Just out of curiosity, do you have any condemnation for the group who are murdering hundreds of innocent people with terrorist explosions across Lebanon, including 9 year old children? What impact do you think that has is preventing Beirut being the Paris of the East?

 

[catcherintherye]

I think you'll find that while once you may have proudly held Lebanon as being multicultural (like Israel), I'm not sure the 24/7 gang wars where shootings between streets (as in one street shooting against the next streets' different ethnic group gang) are something to use as an example that...

"Israel is bad".

I'm not sure I said "Israel is bad" mate, I just found it interesting an Israeli official seems to think Lebanon doesn't exist as a country, when it has a very rich tradition of multiple different religious/ethnic groups. The same can't be said of Israel, or frankly the backers of Israel in the region (Saudi).

Of course, ethnic shootings if they occur are bad. So too are putting explosives in densely populated areas that end up murdering 9 year old girls, I'm sure we can agree?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Well respectfully I'm not really sure what relevance the point has. Assad is not in Lebanon. I don't think electing a Shia government prevents the country being a country, does it?

Syria have been an actor in Lebanons troubles since the civil war and with Iran and Israel continue to destabilise the region.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any condemnation for the group who are murdering hundreds of innocent people with terrorist explosions across Lebanon, including 9 year old children?

Yes, it is disgraceful what is happening in the middle east, Ukraine, Sudan and many other places as per my posts.

What impact do you think that has is preventing Beirut being the Paris of the East?

There is zero chance of a Palestinian state being delivered as long as Iran and its proxies exist in their current guise and with the expressed intent of wiping Israel of the face of the earth.

 

[catcherintherye]

Syria have been an actor in Lebanons troubles since the civil war and with Iran and Israel continue to destabilise the region.

Yes, it is disgraceful what is happening in the middle east, Ukraine, Sudan and many other places as per my posts.

There is zero chance of a Palestinian state being delivered as long as Iran and its proxies exist in their current guise and with the expressed intent of wiping Israel of the face of the earth.

So sorry, just so I can be clear, is that a condemnation or the Israeli government and it's actions to murder children?

And why is there zero chance? According to who, you? Your position seems to be that we can deny the Palestinian people a state on a conditional basis, but there can be no discussion about the Israeli state. That is not consistent is it?

There seem to be many people both within and outside of Israel, indeed it could well be the government position of Israel to want to not only prevent the Palestinian people having a state, but want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians off the map. Should that mean that Israel loses its right to exist as a state? Or does this only work one way? Or is murdering tens of thousands of kids now deemed a less serious crime than Iranian rhetoric?

It will be interesting to hear your response to this.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

So sorry, just so I can be clear, is that a condemnation or the Israeli government and it's actions to murder children?

And why is there zero chance? According to who, you? Your position seems to be that we can deny the Palestinian people a state on a conditional basis, but there can be no discussion about the Israeli state. That is not consistent is it?

There seem to be many people both within and outside of Israel, indeed it could well be the government position of Israel to want to not only prevent the Palestinian people having a state, but want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians off the map. Should that mean that Israel loses its right to exist as a state? Or does this only work one way? Or is murdering tens of thousands of kids now deemed a less serious crime than Iranian rhetoric?

It will be interesting to hear your response to this.

The West has little leverage when Hamas and Hezbollah attack Israel. Putting aside the question of a Palestinian state for a moment, it’s important to recognise that Hezbollah, Hamas, and other Iranian proxies will likely continue to attack Israel as long as the Iranian regime remains in power. The Shia Iranian regime doesn’t really care for Sunni Palestinians; they are merely a tool in Iran's broader regional strategy this they will see them sacrificed in the horrors we see daily. The Iranian regime understands that its own people do not want them, and are looking for ways to topple them, leaving them in a position of insecurity. This feeds Irans need for instability in Israel, Palestine and the region.

As this dynamic persists, Israel will claim the right to defend itself, and the world will have limited leverage to influence the situation. The cycle will repeat, and Iran's regime will survive. In my view, Iran acts as both a key agitator and a deliberate blockage to any meaningful progress. That said, the current Israeli regime is equally inhumane, and the best hope for holding them accountable will come only when these obstacles are removed.

 

[Harryflashman]

So sorry, just so I can be clear, is that a condemnation or the Israeli government and it's actions to murder children?

And why is there zero chance? According to who, you? Your position seems to be that we can deny the Palestinian people a state on a conditional basis, but there can be no discussion about the Israeli state. That is not consistent is it?

There seem to be many people both within and outside of Israel, indeed it could well be the government position of Israel to want to not only prevent the Palestinian people having a state, but want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians off the map. Should that mean that Israel loses its right to exist as a state? Or does this only work one way? Or is murdering tens of thousands of kids now deemed a less serious crime than Iranian rhetoric?

It will be interesting to hear your response to this.

It’s mad to read members of the Israeli government advocating for a nuclear strike on Gaza or forced emigration of citizens to neighbouring Arab nations , to deny the existence of a Palestinian state or people , to describe what they are doing as a Gaza Nakba and for all of it to be virtually ignored by the British political class, media and posters on here .

I’ll happily condemn terrorism and have no problem doing so but I can’t get my head around giving one side effective carte Blanche to do what they want without criticism.

 

[Zatara]

I'm not sure I said "Israel is bad" mate, I just found it interesting an Israeli official seems to think Lebanon doesn't exist as a country, when it has a very rich tradition of multiple different religious/ethnic groups. The same can't be said of Israel, or frankly the backers of Israel in the region (Saudi).

Of course, ethnic shootings if they occur are bad. So too are putting explosives in densely populated areas that end up murdering 9 year old girls, I'm sure we can agree?

Why do you keep coming back to "little girls" which terrorists are putting at risk?

Why not the "little girls" blown up by Hezbollah strikes or those who have had unspeakable things done to them on Oct 7th and beyond?

Lebanon had a rich tradition -- for many years now it has been home to multiple terror groups who have effectively controlled most of if not the government and country.

I watched a few documentaries on Beirut around perhaps a decade ago. Bullet holes galore with it unwise to put kids next to any open windows...certainly not anything worth seeing as a beacon -- aside from terror, religious fanatics and somewhere that needs cleaning up top to toe.

So sorry, just so I can be clear, is that a condemnation or the Israeli government and it's actions to murder children?

And why is there zero chance? According to who, you? Your position seems to be that we can deny the Palestinian people a state on a conditional basis, but there can be no discussion about the Israeli state. That is not consistent is it?

There seem to be many people both within and outside of Israel, indeed it could well be the government position of Israel to want to not only prevent the Palestinian people having a state, but want to ethnically cleanse Palestinians off the map. Should that mean that Israel loses its right to exist as a state? Or does this only work one way? Or is murdering tens of thousands of kids now deemed a less serious crime than Iranian rhetoric?

It will be interesting to hear your response to this.

At this point do you believe all Palestinians care about their children?

Really?

Dont you think they want to brainwash them and be proud to see them as martyrs when they attack Israelis?

Surely they would actually keep their kids away from brainwashing, tunnels, hostages and weapons otherwise?

The ones who we know care about their kids took them to Israel to cure any illness possible that the Palestinian kids were suffering.

 

[davek]

Support Islamic, Iran backed terror cells instead...

You're utterly ludicrous.

 

[efcste97]

Why do you keep coming back to "little girls" which terrorists are putting at risk?

Why not the "little girls" blown up by Hezbollah strikes or those who have had unspeakable things done to them on Oct 7th and beyond?

Lebanon had a rich tradition -- for many years now it has been home to multiple terror groups who have effectively controlled most of if not the government and country.

I watched a few documentaries on Beirut around perhaps a decade ago. Bullet holes galore with it unwise to put kids next to any open windows...certainly not anything worth seeing as a beacon -- aside from terror, religious fanatics and somewhere that needs cleaning up top to toe.



At this point do you believe all Palestinians care about their children?

Really?

Dont you think they want to brainwash them and be proud to see them as martyrs when they attack Israelis?

Surely they would actually keep their kids away from brainwashing, tunnels, hostages and weapons otherwise?

The ones who we know care about their kids took them to Israel to cure any illness possible that the Palestinian kids were suffering.

That reply 'do you believe all Palestinians care about their children?' just totally sidesteps the original question, your response does nothing to engage thoughtfully with the moral and political complexities of the situation, The response deflects from the larger ethical discussion about state violence, international law, and human rights. It's a tactic to redirect blame or create a false equivalency, which does not address the gravity of children being killed in a conflict.

You're an absolute embarrassment.