Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Spadge Vernacular said:
It almost feels inevitable with all that is happening with Irans proxies, this killing, Syria and Iraq.

Iran clearly feels emboldened by their power dynamic with Putin/Russia and his coalition of autocrats.
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Aye, it does look inevitable at this stage. I also wouldn’t rule out Israel taking a pop at the Russian base in Latakia sometime in the near future.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
It almost feels inevitable with all that is happening with Irans proxies, this killing, Syria and Iraq.

Iran clearly feels emboldened by their power dynamic with Putin/Russia and his coalition of autocrats.
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I think you have that entirely backwards.

Iran can see what the rest of the region, and the world, can see - that the Israeli government is desperate. All of the escalations in this war after the initial attack have come from the Israeli side, and usually right before their own allies try and calm the situation down or engage with their other partners in the region. The Netanyahu government cannot accept peace, to do so means that they will inevitably face justice - from their own people and from the international community.

So instead we get these outrages - from the massacre at the al-Ahli hospital (which derailed Biden's big attempt to stop things), to the march on al-Aqsa (which occurred as Blinken was demanding an end to settler crimes), to killing a Dutch citizen of Gazan heritage right before the (then) Dutch PM visited Israel, to the ceasefire that they collapsed, to several attacks on journalists and UN personnel (and convoys), to this (which occurs as Hamas was negotiating with Egypt and others about a new ceasefire, and happened the same day a US carrier group was withdrawn and before Blinken was due to visit).

If Iran feels emboldened, it is far more due to the state that Netanyahu has put Israel in - and for every day he and his criminal gang are not removed, the hole he is putting the country in gets ever deeper.

Six months more of his leadership and I think that state will not exist in a recognizable form within five years.
 
tsubaki said:
I think you have that entirely backwards.

Iran can see what the rest of the region, and the world, can see - that the Israeli government is desperate. All of the escalations in this war after the initial attack have come from the Israeli side, and usually right before their own allies try and calm the situation down or engage with their other partners in the region. The Netanyahu government cannot accept peace, to do so means that they will inevitably face justice - from their own people and from the international community.

So instead we get these outrages - from the massacre at the al-Ahli hospital (which derailed Biden's big attempt to stop things), to the march on al-Aqsa (which occurred as Blinken was demanding an end to settler crimes), to killing a Dutch citizen of Gazan heritage right before the (then) Dutch PM visited Israel, to the ceasefire that they collapsed, to several attacks on journalists and UN personnel (and convoys), to this (which occurs as Hamas was negotiating with Egypt and others about a new ceasefire, and happened the same day a US carrier group was withdrawn and before Blinken was due to visit).

If Iran feels emboldened, it is far more due to the state that Netanyahu has put Israel in - and for every day he and his criminal gang are not removed, the hole he is putting the country in gets ever deeper.

Six months more of his leadership and I think that state will not exist in a recognizable form within five years.
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Iran and Russia have been moving closer for four years or so and are basically in a defense partnership. They have also joined BRICs and are now shoulder to shoulder with powerful nations who want to destroy the USA. Israel and Hamas are tactical levers in a much bigger picture. Prior to these relationships Iran would not have been so bold.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
Iran and Russia have been moving closer for four years or so and are basically in a defense partnership. They have also joined BRICs and are now shoulder to shoulder with powerful nations who want to destroy the USA. Israel and Hamas are tactical levers in a much bigger picture. Prior to these relationships Iran would not have been so bold.
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For that to be true, it would be Iran doing the escalations. It might come to that, but they are not doing it now.

I should also point out here that Iran has been on the chopping block for the US right for at least the last twenty two years; it shouldn't surprise anyone that they have been pushed into the arms of hostile states.
 
tsubaki said:
For that to be true, it would be Iran doing the escalations. It might come to that, but they are not doing it now.

I should also point out here that Iran has been on the chopping block for the US right for at least the last twenty two years; it shouldn't surprise anyone that they have been pushed into the arms of hostile states.
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It would be naive to think Irans proxies act independently. They are tools of the regime.

I should also.pount out that one of the reasons that Iran is on the chopping block is its state sponsored terrorism. Their proxy militias are a level up from that.
 
tsubaki said:
For that to be true, it would be Iran doing the escalations. It might come to that, but they are not doing it now.

I should also point out here that Iran has been on the chopping block for the US right for at least the last twenty two years; it shouldn't surprise anyone that they have been pushed into the arms of hostile states.
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On the chopping board ever since they kicked out the Americans well over 50 years ago.
 
Billy Dean said:
Christ

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When she was appointed, even the Board of Deputies was aghast because she was widely seen as an absolute loon. Sadly she now accurately represents what her government thinks.

This stance of theirs should finally see UK and EU support turned off; it is abundantly clear what the Israeli government are planning and there is absolutely zero chance of it happening.
 
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