Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Wizard]

 

[BornBlue76]

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

That is disgusting and they lap it up

 

[Blue 1]

That is appalling.

 

[tsubaki]

What a scumbag.

 

[tsubaki]

This shooting dead of the hostages really suggests something akin to genocide is happening in Gaza. People can, and are, mistakenly killed in conflicts all the time but this horrific incident can only really be read as evidencing a policy that any males seen within Gaza City are being killed on sight.

An initial IDF probe into the hostage killing incident suggests all three men were shirtless, with one carrying a makeshift white flag.

On seeing them, one Israeli soldier shouted “terrorists!” to the other forces, initiating fire at the men, according to reports.

While two hostages were hit immediately and fell to the ground, the third managed to escape into a nearby building where despite pleas in Hebrew, he was also shot and killed, a military official said.

 

[PhilM]

This shooting dead of the hostages really suggests something akin to genocide is happening in Gaza. People can, and are, mistakenly killed in conflicts all the time but this horrific incident can only really be read as evidencing a policy that any males seen within Gaza City are being killed on sight.

While I may be wrong, I do have a feeling that this event could be a catalyst for a real reduction in the intensity of the fighting or even a ceasefire.

There'll always sadly be people who are mistakenly killed, but the reading of it portrays either terrible discipline or intentional killings of those surrendering.

Now, before anyone jumps on the bandwagon and mentions the numerous atrocities that the IDF have probably already done, I know that and it's shameful.

But the shooting of an Israeli hostage by an IDF solider in what can only look like an unlawful killing could start to turn the tide of the Israelis' public opinion.

The IDF has given more details on how it mistakenly killed three hostages in Gaza on Friday.

An IDF official says one of its soldiers saw the hostages emerging from a building without shirts on, holding a stick with a white cloth on it.

The soldier felt threatened and opened fire, declaring that the men were terrorists, the IDF official says.

Two hostages were killed immediately and one was injured, and ran back into the building.

Then soldiers heard a cry for help in Hebrew, "and immediately the battalion commander issued a ceasefire order", the official adds.

After a cry for help was heard from the third injured hostage, an IDF official says soldiers opened fire again and that hostage also died.

The official says the three hostages had potentially been "abandoned or escaped".

"I'll say very, very clear. This was against our rules of engagement. I repeat, it was against our rules of engagement," the IDF official says.

He says the killings were "very tragic" and a preliminary Investigation is ongoing "at the highest level".

He says lessons have been learned, and "all the rules of engagement are being sent out again to all the forces".

 

[tsubaki]

While I may be wrong, I do have a feeling that this event could be a catalyst for a real reduction in the intensity of the fighting or even a ceasefire.

There'll always sadly be people who are mistakenly killed, but the reading of it portrays either terrible discipline or intentional killings of those surrendering.

Now, before anyone jumps on the bandwagon and mentions the numerous atrocities that the IDF have probably already done, I know that and it's shameful.

But the shooting of an Israeli hostage by an IDF solider in what can only look like an unlawful killing could start to turn the tide of the Israelis' public opinion.

100% - and lets not forget this is the IDF's own account of what happened. For another angle, here is the Times of Israel report. It contains this bit, which is of relevance I think:

In Shejaiya, the senior officer says the IDF has not identified any Palestinian civilians in recent days.

The officer says troops have killed at least 38 Palestinian terror operatives in Shejaiya in recent days.

The only people seen wearing civilian clothing have been Hamas operatives, often unarmed. The operatives collect weapons left behind in various buildings, open fire at troops, and then flee again unarmed to another building.

The IDF has also encountered several seemingly unarmed civilians in Shejaiya, who later turned out to be Hamas suicide bombers.

Which to me reads strongly as if they've been shooting these unarmed people in civilian clothes, whilst refusing to see them as potential civilians.

 

[Martin Alvito]

100% - and lets not forget this is the IDF's own account of what happened. For another angle, here is the Times of Israel report. It contains this bit, which is of relevance I think:



Which to me reads strongly as if they've been shooting these unarmed people in civilian clothes, whilst refusing to see them as potential civilians.

Wouldn't surprise me if Hamas set them up, and mixed the hostages in with whatever operations they are/aren't conducting so the IDF would gun them down.

 

[PhilM]

Wouldn't surprise me if Hamas set them up, and mixed the hostages in with whatever operations they are/aren't conducting so the IDF would gun them down.

Neither would I, and (again, some may not like this) I would 'understand' why they may have. In this type of asymmetrical warfare, it can become almost guttural.

The key issue here is that the IDF, as a regular standing army, should be above this. In the Falklands, the Argentinians painted red crosses over many buildings.

The vast majority of them weren't medical stations at all, but rather arms dumps or where their officers slept. We knew this, but still rightly resisted attacking them.

Rightly or wrongly, Israel can't expect Hamas would play by the rules here, but by lowering themselves to a similar level they are only worsening the situation.

The IDF only have themselves to blame for this current situation.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

If true the hostages were waving white flags then it just highlights that the IDF just shoot whoever they see

 

[Ming the merciless]

If the three had have been Palestinians you wouldn’t have heard another word about this incident. I suppose the troops involved may now be sanctioned but they’d have got a pat on the back if their victims had have been Arabs.

 

[tsubaki]

If the three had have been Palestinians you wouldn’t have heard another word about this incident. I suppose the troops involved may now be sanctioned but they’d have got a pat on the back if their victims had have been Arabs.

One of them was (he was a Bedouin), which may also explain things.

 

[tsubaki]

Wouldn't surprise me if Hamas set them up, and mixed the hostages in with whatever operations they are/aren't conducting so the IDF would gun them down.

Maybe, but as a theory that only holds out if Hamas knew they’d gun them down.

 

[Ferguson1878]

100% - and lets not forget this is the IDF's own account of what happened. For another angle, here is the Times of Israel report. It contains this bit, which is of relevance I think:



Which to me reads strongly as if they've been shooting these unarmed people in civilian clothes, whilst refusing to see them as potential civilians.

must be hard if your from poland, new york etc to tell the difference between a middle eastern jew and palestinian , things like this shows how ridiculous this whole israel thing has become