Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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So they're using human shields then?

Which one is it? Either they are or they aren't.
No, they aren’t. Isrsel are blowing up civilian sites and killing 10,000 innocents because of the actions of a terrorist organisation 1 month ago

Even you must concede that the indiscriminate bombing of civilians for a month solid (after 70 years of torment) is unjust. These children did not attack Israelis, nor did these women.

It’s the most blatant war crimes imaginable and all those who see no wrong in it are culpable

One day in the future when the horror comes to light, many of you will look pretty stupid
 
No, they aren’t. Isrsel are blowing up civilian sites and killing 10,000 innocents because of the actions of a terrorist organisation 1 month ago

Even you must concede that the indiscriminate bombing of civilians for a month solid (after 70 years of torment) is unjust. These children did not attack Israelis, nor did these women.

It’s the most blatant war crimes imaginable and all those who see no wrong in it are culpable

One day in the future when the horror comes to light, many of you will look pretty stupid
They already do.
 
1700 weren’t killed, highest estimate was 1400, some have it at 1000.

They took 200 hostages not 300.

There’s been no evidence of any rapes and absolutely zero evidence of babies being microwaved, but a shedload of evidence of Israel actually bombing babies in hospitals.

If they’re within the right to defend themselves, Are Israel within their rights to bomb schools, hospitals and bakeries? You do know they’ve literally said “it’s not about accuracy it’s about destruction.”

As for being “offered peace 5 times” if someone takes money out of your account and offers to give you some of it back and you refuse, are you then the baddie for not accepting these terms?


So to go back to your question, you should be asking “which bit IS factually correct?”
I think once all this blows over it'll have been significantly less than that figure too.

In the hundreds certainly...and a terrible loss of life...a massacre. But the Israeli government have been spinning this 1,400 number and it's being questioned a lot now.

More than likely the Palestinian losses right now are going to be well over the 10,000 recorded. It's probably nearer 15,000-20,000.
 
I think once all this blows over it'll have been significantly less than that figure too.

In the hundreds certainly...and a terrible loss of life...a massacre. But the Israeli government have been spinning this 1,400 number and it's being questioned a lot now.

More than likely the Palestinian losses right now are going to be well over the 10,000 recorded. It's probably nearer 15,000-20,000.

TBF I am reasonably sure the Israeli death figures are reasonably correct, but the question is who killed many of them. A lot of them were clearly Hamas, but there are real questions about those in the Kibbutzim who were still there when the IDF arrived.
 
TBF I am reasonably sure the Israeli death figures are reasonably correct, but the question is who killed many of them. A lot of them were clearly Hamas, but there are real questions about those in the Kibbutzim who were still there when the IDF arrived.
The IDF were indiscriminately shelling the area, no care for who they hit.
 
TBF I am reasonably sure the Israeli death figures are reasonably correct, but the question is who killed many of them. A lot of them were clearly Hamas, but there are real questions about those in the Kibbutzim who were still there when the IDF arrived.
How do you mean?

And on the numbers: I think what maybe happens is that when you open the door up to questioning one side's reported figures (as the Israelis and Yanks have done with the Gaza authority declared casualty totals) then question marks get raised about the validity of the figures concerning the amount of Israeli dead...that's the trade off when propaganda is used.
 
How do you mean?

And on the numbers: I think what maybe happens is that when you open the door up to questioning one side's reported figures (as the Israelis and Yanks have done with the Gaza authority declared casualty totals) then question marks get raised about the validity of the figures concerning the amount of Israeli dead...that's the trade off when propaganda is used.

The best summary of those questions is here dave: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-gr...d-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/

... but in short you cannot easily fake death numbers in modern society - people can check how many funerals there has been, death certificates and so on. What you can fake is the circumstances of those deaths. By that I do not mean Hamas has no responsibility for the people who died - they wouldn't have died without the Hamas attack, after all - but the lurid reports of burning / explosion related deaths at the hands of Hamas should be regarded with suspicion.
 
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