Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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Noisy noise annoys said:
This deserves a new thread!
Scriptures, I forgot they were even a thing since school. I’m obviously not a religious man, and would never judge someone who is, but why pay attention to them ? Aren’t they just 2000 year old, obsolete tales containing some highly controversial ideals?

I’m genuinely fascinated and clearly talking out of my depth on the subject

Anyway, as I said, should be in a new thread but intriguing to read about.
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People have every right to believe, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a person who inherently follows everything the Bible says and whatnot.

But, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists... (you're catching my drift here) have texts that their beliefs are centred on; they provide the rules.

My point is that for a state that is so intertwined with religion (look at the names and policies of the political parties!) you'd think the scriptures would be important.

Again, I'm not going to pretend that I'm a scholar or expert of the scriptures, but my layman understanding of the Old Testament knows enough to say...

... what Israel is doing doesn't correlate with the teachings. The Ten Commandments alone would suggest that this is whole saga is very, very unholy.

Although, I don't think any of us are surprised by the whole hypocrisy of the Israeli state.
 
Bluerover said:
Every Catholic church in the world follows the same lectionary. There is a three year cycle, A, B and C, and we are coming to the end of Year A. Last Sunday of Year A will be 26th November after which all Christian churches move into the four weeks of Advent then the season of Christmas which ends on the 6th January (Epiphany). The Baptism of the Lord is the next Sunday and will start Ordinary Time in year B..

In Ireland at least, the Anglican Church of Ireland follows pretty closelyt the same cycles - I used to conduct my local RC Church Choir, but was also a chorister in St Canice's Cof I cathedral Choir. Thus I often found that the readigns I had heard at 10 am Mass were the same as at the 11.30 Service the same day !!

The only differences are that different countries have particular national Feasts - e,g St Patrick's Day is a Holy Day in Ireland; 23 April St George is a RC Feast day in England and Wales,; 30 November, St Andrew is an RC Solemnity in Scotland; etc

I no longer sing or conduct due to reduced hearing , so i can't say what the CofI readings were today, but definitely the RC Churches all over the world will have had the same Readings.
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tsubaki said:
As I understand it, the content of Sunday Mass (at least the two readings and the Gospel) will be the same across the entire world for Catholics, as everyone follows the same calendar (it was the 30th Sunday in Ordinary Time today).
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Thanks. Really interesting. Feel like I should have known this already but had no idea
 
PhilM said:
People have every right to believe, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a person who inherently follows everything the Bible says and whatnot.

But, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists... (you're catching my drift here) have texts that their beliefs are centred on; they provide the rules.

My point is that for a state that is so intertwined with religion (look at the names and policies of the political parties!) you'd think the scriptures would be important.

Again, I'm not going to pretend that I'm a scholar or expert of the scriptures, but my layman understanding of the Old Testament knows enough to say...

... what Israel is doing doesn't correlate with the teachings. The Ten Commandments alone would suggest that this is whole saga is very, very unholy.

Although, I don't think any of us are surprised by the whole hypocrisy of the Israeli state.
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In fairness I think there is a substantial rump of ordinary Israeli citizens who want peace, immediate ceasefire and who despise the hawks in this government that seem to want ethnic cleansing.
 
Bluerover said:
UK, Germany and US will never do that though. Israeli lobbies are too powerful and politicians are in their pockets - see the Dispatches video supra.
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The US won't because of the importance of the pro-Israel vote over there, but there is no reason why the EU or the UK couldn't - the lobbies here have focused on the political / media leadership, which doesn't give them much depth to sustain the sort of storm in the public mood that is brewing. Plus the politicians they've backed are associated with unpopular things already, so they've got even less wiggle room, and there is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the civil service side of things are much less in favour of this than the political side is.

This is not sustainable, and I can see a SC resolution calling for a "pause" passing on Monday. Once the guns stop, there is going to be tremendous pressure put on to ensure they do not start again.
 
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