Isolated Players (Front Page Article)

[brieverton]

Banishing players from the first-team squad is a worrying development. It certainly doesn't strengthen the clubs hand in shifting players to other clubs, and getting fees for them.

Of course we are top heavy with numbers but in terms of morale this can't be seen as a good thing. Players will gossip and form cliques and we saw plenty of evidence last season and indeed so far in friendlies where it seems individual players and the group as a whole are not putting 100% in, with some exceptions.

I would imagine that Brands has approved that decision on Silva's recommendation so assume there are genuine and good reasons for it but it's not good, not good at all.

The legacy of destruction and chaos wrought by Koeman and Walsh in this respect is absolutely disgusting, for so-called professionals, and handsomely paid ones, at that. No accountability other than the sack, and we will spend the next few years dealing with the fallout.

 

[magicjuan]

I hope it works that way but it's a dangerous game. Those players will have friends in the squad and possibly on the staff too, as well as in the wider footballing world. It might make for great team spirit, or it might lead to players getting the hump because they feel their mate was treated badly, players not coming because their mate got treated badly, or us being left with a number of players who are still turning up for training every day for the next 12 months with a poisonous attitude because they've been ostracised.

I'm not saying it's a bad move, and obviously I have no idea of the circumstances, but I hope he knows what he's doing because these decisions have consequences.

Reckon the squad is still big enough to cope with ditching anyone else sulking about. Could be 3-4 more and we'd still be top heavy.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Not surprising that Martina, Vlasic and Williams are all Koeman signings

I actually like Vlasic and would like him to get more of a chance. I'm fine with the other two sodding off, especially Martina as that should put Kenny as Coleman's understudy

 

[GrumpyBlue]

 

[Ash Woods]

....but Jagielka is still captain.

How does that make sense?

This is something i would like addressed ASAP, Coleman or Pickford for me

 

[malcson]

I would guess they had already been told they are surplus to requirement and to get their agents on the case. This is just a kick up the arse so they take it seriously and have their agents looking for a new club, rather than thinking that they can hang around with the first team for another 12 months being a bit part player.

 

[Ash Woods]

The other concern i have is this move from Silva is going to put yet another hurdle in the way of me banging Vlasics sisters brains out

Ffs Silva out

 

[Stutheblue]

Get rid of all of them. Williams old and rubbish, Vlasic is overweight, Martina......words fail me. Mirallas always seems to be involved....moaner, poser and seemingly a trouble causer. Liked him for first couple of seasons, but last 2 seasons he has been a pain.

 

[Lanolin]

Reckon the squad is still big enough to cope with ditching anyone else sulking about. Could be 3-4 more and we'd still be top heavy.

Big enough yes, but has it got the quality? If Pickford and Coleman are two of the players not happy can we afford to just punt them?

All the people going 'yeah this is boss just get rid of all the little rats lad' are making the common mistake of forgetting that all the people involved are human, things like this can affect them. Again, i'm not saying it will but you'd think we'd have learnt by now not to just follow the cult of the manager and think every decision they make is fantastic without actually weighing up both sides.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

The Vlasic one confuses me a bit.

Fair enough, he hasn't been pulling up trees for a while, but he's still young and did show signs that there's a Premier League player in him last season. Perhaps he has an attitude issue?

 

[Groucho]

Surprised there’s so many negative views on this.

Williams and Mirallas have been no good for the squad for ages.

 

[brieverton]

If we're about to shift Williams, either on loan as in free transfer, and/or as part of an exchange with N'Diaye, how does this isolation help? I have no desire to see him anywhere near an Everton shirt again, but if the expectation is that he is leaving, then it might as well be on at least pretend good terms.

Martina I'm surprised by, Vlasic too. It's a serious issue for a player of Vlasic' age to be excluded from the squad, I can only imagine he'll return home soon enough. This has huge consequences for his career, but if he has brought it on himself, I have no sympathy.

Mirallas is just lazy and a bad egg.

Even with all that, on the surface it is no good to wash dirty laundry in public like this. Those players must really have been causing problems, to the point where Silva has thought that enough is enough.

 

[evertonarntwe]

I hope it works that way but it's a dangerous game. Those players will have friends in the squad and possibly on the staff too, as well as in the wider footballing world. It might make for great team spirit, or it might lead to players getting the hump because they feel their mate was treated badly, players not coming because their mate got treated badly, or us being left with a number of players who are still turning up for training every day for the next 12 months with a poisonous attitude because they've been ostracised.

I'm not saying it's a bad move, and obviously I have no idea of the circumstances, but I hope he knows what he's doing because these decisions have consequences.

I disagree, this is one of the main problems everton have had for years, being to nice and people like baines and jags etc who just aren't good enough but we still treat them as royalty

I doubt their is any malice intended by marco, I'm assuming it's just a clear indication to them that they are not part of his plans and he wants them gone.

about time we had a ruthless manager, koeman was ruthless but he was just a massive tool, he'd criticise players in the first time ( ie barkley )

 

[Lanolin]

I disagree, this is one of the main problems everton have had for years, being to nice and people like baines and jags etc who just aren't good enough but we still treat them as royalty

I doubt their is any malice intended by marco, I'm assuming it's just a clear indication to them that they are not part of his plans and he wants them gone.

about time we had a ruthless manager, koeman was ruthless but he was just a massive tool, he'd criticise players in the first time ( ie barkley )

But you've just confirmed the point I made in my last post. Koeman makes this decision = bad, he's a tool. Silva makes the decision = good, there's no malice.

People are just seeing what they want to see. I'm not being negative here, just trying to add some balance.

 

[magicjuan]

Big enough yes, but has it got the quality? If Pickford and Coleman are two of the players not happy can we afford to just punt them?

All the people going 'yeah this is boss just get rid of all the little rats lad' are making the common mistake of forgetting that all the people involved are human, things like this can affect them. Again, i'm not saying it will but you'd think we'd have learnt by now not to just follow the cult of the manager and think every decision they make is fantastic without actually weighing up both sides.

They're also supposed to be professional. The two you've highlighted are probably the two most professional players we have, which I would expect would preclude them from acting like petulant brats.
The manager has to have the final say , regardless of titty lipped responses. Work ethic is something we've lacked and if this is a step to instilling one then more power to him. I can watch us get beat as long as we've put an honest shift in, but I can't bear to watch shirkers stealing a living.