Is 7th and "Net Spend" The Only Reason To Keep Moyes

[Stend]

The misconception that Kenwright and the board haven't put anything into the team is wrong.

They've reinvested the profits made from player sales to fund player purchases. No matter how you look at it that is the board putting money back into the club.

I would agree if the money from player sales was not put back in, but it is. They could easily take that money out and not reinvest it.

If you look at it is business terms they make profit they buy new stock with it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Just to repeat that for all the Kenwright haters and wanting someone like Ashley to take over.

Ashley - net £19m profit since he took the club over 6 years ago. Sold its heritage down the river and generally took the p*ss out of fans at every stop

Kenwright - net £26m spend on players in last 8 years. Blue Union transcript is what it is but you could never say anything than he seems to be a genuine Blue at heart

Apologies for my simple maths but that's a difference of £45m in Kenwright's favour.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk

haha, you've either just exposed your lack of any real knowledge on this issue, or you're looking to mislead mate.

Ashley has put £152.8M of his own cash into NUFC as an interest free loan.

Kenwright has put £0 into EFC in 14 years.

Ashley has taken not 1p out of Newcastle in terms of dividend, same as Kenwright, so your player trading stats mean zilch.

Embarrassing.

 

[Dell Boy]

You can't include the year they went down & had to offload half a dozen stars ffs.

Since their return their spend has been break even, thanks largely to the RS & the £41m they gifted them for Caroll & Enrique.

Abramovich paid for a trinket not a business, grabbing a 'steal' was never on his agenda & the £1BN he's pissed away since, proves it.

Come on play fair mate. You can't make all those exceptions.

 

[Brennan]

The misconception that Kenwright and the board haven't put anything into the team is wrong.

They've reinvested the profits made from player sales to fund player purchases. No matter how you look at it that is the board putting money back into the club.

I would agree if the money from player sales was not put back in, but it is. They could easily take that money out and not reinvest it.

If you look at it is business terms they make profit they buy new stock with it.

No. Just no.

 

[steken1]

No. Just no.

Fixed

 

[Dell Boy]

, so your player trading stats mean zilch.

Embarrassing.

Why does it mean zilch? Does the average Newcastle fan care what Ashley has done with his balance sheet?

 

[D410]

Just to repeat that for all the Kenwright haters and wanting someone like Ashley to take over.

Ashley - net £19m profit since he took the club over 6 years ago. Sold its heritage down the river and generally took the p*ss out of fans at every stop

Kenwright - net £26m spend on players in last 8 years. Blue Union transcript is what it is but you could never say anything than he seems to be a genuine Blue at heart

Apologies for my simple maths but that's a difference of £45m in Kenwright's favour.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk

You had your pants pulled down in the debate and your only tactic is label everybody Kenwright haters.

Your pathetic. You,ve been done today, good style.

 

[Dell Boy]

You had your pants pulled down in the debate and your only tactic is label everybody Kenwright haters.

Your pathetic. You,ve been done today, good style.

Ha ha what are you on? The only pants that have been down recently are your mums.

 

[Brennan]

Ha ha what are you on? The only pants that have been down recently are your mums.

*cringe*

You really are showing yourself up in this thread.

 

[Timak]

How could you possibly know that? I'm pretty sure there's not one person on this board who has the knowledge necessary to say without question that there is no one else who could do better. Frankly I find that a quite ridiculous statement. Hell I couldn't even tell you in the top two English leagues that such is true.

I can say it is almost a certainty. He has been in charge for 11 years. In all that time only Sam Alladyce (when we finished 17th and 11th) has finished above him twice working on a similar budget.

Surely if he were just an OK manager then someone like Martin O'Neill, Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp or one of the other quite highly rated managers would have managed it?

Yet when those managers have finished above Moyes they have only done so by being given a budget much higher than his. When they operate under the same conditions they drop down to midtable.

If someone, just one, manager got teams to similar points totals to Everton on similar budgets then I'd accept it was possible to do. But nobody has, not one, in 11 whole years.

 

[bluejock]

Brilliant comeback there.

This thread needs locking, deleting and stabbing through the heart with a wooden stake.

Some proper pathetic posts in here.

 

[Brennan]

I can say it is almost a certainty. He has been in charge for 11 years. In all that time only Sam Alladyce (when we finished 17th and 11th) has finished above him twice working on a similar budget.

Surely if he were just an OK manager then someone like Martin O'Neill, Martin Jol, Harry Redknapp or one of the other quite highly rated managers would have managed it?

Yet when those managers have finished above Moyes they have only done so by being given a budget much higher than his. When they operate under the same conditions they drop down to midtable.

If someone, just one, manager got teams to similar points totals to Everton on similar budgets then I'd accept it was possible to do. But nobody has, not one, in 11 whole years.

Hell, O'Neill spent about £250m and could barely beat out Everton.

 

[Stend]

It's their club it's their profit. Therefore they have pumped it back in.

Yes without touching their own pockets but this is business not Football Manager for our board.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Why does it mean zilch? Does the average Newcastle fan care what Ashley has done with his balance sheet?

It means zilch for more than 1 reason, firstly you've ignored the fact that they were relegated when compiling your totals. The loss of 2/3rds of their TV cash is reason enough to offload a few high earners & bank some cash.....

Since their return they've broken even in terms of spend. I have no doubt their spend would be a positive number had it not been for the benevolence of our loveable neighbours.

Secondly, it means zilch, as you were stating it was profit that Ashley had taken out of NUFC, which compares to the 'generous' Kenwright & his 'investment' in playing staff which of course isn't the case is it?

 

[D410]

When Moyes signed his last contract had it ran down and he was in a position to walk? By that I mean did he sign up for more years as manager with years already on his contract to see through? IIRC we went right down to the wire last time round and his reasoning was 'lets get to summer and see where we stand then as fafing about with my contract now in the middle to the closing of a season wouldnt do the team or the club any good'.

So he has (IIRC) got a bit of form for playing the waiting game and signing up for more years as boss when he could as easily walk. And IIRC last time round he got a substantial amount to play with in the transfer market - did he bust our transfer record and get Fellaini that specific summer?

For what its worth I reckon Moyes wants to push on again and have a much better stab at cracking the CL places. If he is going to be given the nod to do so in the summer OR NOT will be the deciding factor in whether he stays or not.
Also, I perceive his strengths to be the regime change he enacted (fitness fitness and more fitness) a team ethic of never say die (at least in the league anyway) and a shift in big game preparedness (by which I mean once we would turn up against the lesser media darling sides and grind out points whereas now we tend to turn up when the spotlight is on and give the media darlings a bloody nose from time to time). His transfer history is nothing short of spectacular - in his 11 years I cant think of another manager that has made so many budget (very low) transfer dealings pay off in such the manner as he has - not specifically the turn around in transfer fees and net profits but actually bringing a variety of players in that have either stayed and improved the side or taking chances on players considered damaged goods and coaxed their qualities out of them and turned them into Prem regulars.
Cant stand his substitutions mind you nor whichever tea bags are used before cup games compared to the tea drank before playing the exact same sides in the league.
His eye for a bargain has been the catalyst for our reversal in fortunes both playing wise and financially. Without the monies generated by his transfer dealings and the transfers off the backs of those decisions we wouldnt be a prem side any more and would be languishing somewhere alongside Sheff Weds or Derby.

A lot is being made of how it is thought he has lost the dressing room and is messing the club and fans around over the contract thing but maybe, JUST MAYBE he is putting pressure on Bill and the rest of the board to put their money where their ambition is and push the club on.

Do you reckon he will see enough dough without selling? Every team around us will also get new dough so how will he push on if it comes down to fighting clubs arounds who can outmuscle us now? IMHO, the fella want a biger step change than Bill can afford to give him even based on the new money comming in from the TV. Surley the answer for this or any other manager is for the owner to drop the sale price and sell up to those who can provide the step change this or any other manager requires.