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[peteblue]

I dnt think so. I think it was intentional and they saw a plane predominantly packed out with foreign "cough" observers "cough" and seen it as a good chance to taech the western spying agencies a harsh lesson...with horrendous collatoral damage to innocent people on board.

That would be a decent theory to work on.

 

[davek]

Don’t be silly, real people have died here.....

Spies are real people too.

 

[peteblue]

It’s just like the Malaysian Airlines flight 17. The Dutch families of the deceased are still looking for justice. I suspect now that more bereaved families will be left without answers or justice.

Yes, everything will be covered up....oh and @davek and @Moomin can continue trying to create excuses for what happened.....

 

[davek]

Yes, everything will be covered up....oh and @davek and @Moomin can continue trying to create excuses for what happened.....

I'm not excusing it...you were the one who brought in the concept of realpolitik.

My guess is that the plane was chocca full of spies and they were targeted. Accident? Nah.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I'm not excusing it...you were the one who brought in the concept of realpolitik.

My guess is that the plane was chocca full of spies and they were targeted. Accident? Nah.

Like a club 18-30 trip for spies.

 

[peteblue]

I see that all are now saying that, yes, it was Iran, but parroting the line that it was accidental...

 

[longers]

I see that all are now saying that, yes, it was Iran, but parroting the line that it was accidental...

Because at this point this still seems the most plausible explanation

 

[peteblue]

I'm not excusing it...you were the one who brought in the concept of realpolitik.

My guess is that the plane was chocca full of spies and they were targeted. Accident? Nah.

No mate. Incompetent Iranians shot it down, now everyone and his dog is saying it was an accident. It wasn’t, they did it deliberately, but didn’t know it was an airliner full of ordinary people......

 

[longers]

No mate. Incompetent Iranians shot it down, now everyone and his dog is saying it was an accident. It wasn’t, they did it deliberately, but didn’t know it was an airliner full of ordinary people......

Splitting hairs, obviously someone intended to shoot it down but the accident seems to be them misidentifying the plane.

 

[peteblue]

Because at this point this still seems the most plausible explanation

You don’t ‘accidentally’ fire off two missiles. Incompetence yes, deliberate yes, but not ‘accidental’. Now everyone is trying to wash it away...

 

[longers]

You don’t ‘accidentally’ fire off two missiles Incompetence yes, deliberate yes, but not ‘accidental’. Now everyone is trying to wash it away...

See post above

 

[peteblue]

Splitting hairs, obviously someone intended to shoot it down but the accident seems to be them misidentifying the plane.

That is the definition of incompetence........

 

[longers]

That is the definition of incompetence........

Sure, incompetence often leads to accidents. I don't think anyone is claiming some guy slipped and hit the 'fire missiles at plane' buttons by mistake.

 

[BlueToff]

UK and US have been meddling in the middle east for a long time to cause unrest to get its own way.

We have covertly over thrown regimes in Iran to get our way. Supplied weapons to Iraq and even chemical weapons for them to use on Iran.

The Neo Conservatives have been itching for a war with Iran for decades now.

Through my dad, I happen to be family friends with an Iranian family – the mum/dad moved over here after the revolution. None of them have been unhappy to see the back of Soleimani, let's put it that way.

But I fully agree Mooms. We're awful. I'm not trying to claim the moral high ground for our government.

I just don't like any regime/way of living which treats what I view as basic human rights (i.e. going to watch a football match). I think it's backwards.

Not saying we should be meddling. But Iran was pretty much one of the most prosperous nations on the planet before the revolution (yes, I know it's a long time ago). I get that it's still a strong economy (18th largest I believe?). Just can't get my head around the virtue signalling of some (mainly on Twitter – I know – not here).

In an ideal world, it'd be nice if governments going around blowing people/other government officials up. But it happens. And in this case, it's like if you can blow anyone up, then these type of scumbags should probably be top of the list.

Again, not saying it's the right thing to do and given the tensions it's reckless.

 

[davek]

Like a club 18-30 trip for spies.

I know I shouldn't, but I laughed.