2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

[Charles Plastusz]

It’s definitely condescending as you then refer to the other players as “actual players”. What did you consider barry? A water carrier or an actual player? As he did the dirty work but while he also had legs he was also a class act.

That's your perception pal, i would say that i was referring to the creative players not all the other players. The whole Barry thing was a slightly different facet to the debate earlier but he was more water carrier than ball player certainly. Before you tell me what that implies I'll remind you that I've said i like Gana and i liked Barry.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Dowell won't make it at any top club, unless he suddenly develops a great workrate and desire he's otherwise never shown to date before.

Days of carrying a fair type player in any team near the top are long gone, just look at the ground players like Silva, De Bruyne, and other top playmakers cover - including siggurdsson and Ericksen.

Players develop strength and fitness levels with age. He's only just 21 so probably has another 4 yrs developing to do in that regard.

I'm more concerned about how he'll develop as a player. He'll only improve playing against (and with) top players and I don't think anyone is going to take that risk with him.

If we can get somebody in Germany or France to take him on loan at the moment I'd bite their hands off. Personally I'd like to see him played a bit deeper but with license to push on. I think he's a player who prefers to play with the game in front of him.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

You don't win that many tackles and ball recoveries, interceptions etc unless you have a great reading of the game mate, otherwise any lad with a good engine would be doing the job.

I see your point but i would argue that the footballing intelligence i was talking about with adjusting your game as you get older is slightly different to the pressing work Gana does now, it's more about closing off lanes and putting out fires before they've really started, Barry shuffled side to side more than he sprinted because he read the game so well. I don't see that in Ganas future, i might be wrong, it's all opinions i guess

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Read my posts. I'll summarise briefly, never said easily replaced never said i don't rate him. Depends on your perception whether it's a condescending term or not. As i said read what I've written and you'll see, or don't and we'll have a childish back in forth in place of our lives ha ha

It’s just an odd way to label a player that thrives in his side. Not really trying to start a back and forth- just trying to clear things up.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

It’s just an odd way to label a player that thrives in his side. Not really trying to start a back and forth- just trying to clear things up.

Quite possibly, but my point was we could reshape if we lost him and with the right recruitment be stronger. I also said only sell for silly money! It's all good my friend

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Quite possibly, but my point was we could reshape if we lost him and with the right recruitment be stronger. I also said only sell for silly money! It's all good my friend

I think we could as well. Gana is really good at what he does, so it just kind of baffles me that some people think he is a hindrance to the squad because he isn’t world class creatively. As you said, there is definitely an upgrade out there. But- he is an excellent player for our system as it stands.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

I think we could as well. Gana is really good at what he does, so it just kind of baffles me that some people think he is a hindrance to the squad because he isn’t world class creatively. As you said, there is definitely an upgrade out there. But- he is an excellent player for our system as it stands.

Certainly not a hindrance, far from it

 

[bluestevon]

Players develop strength and fitness levels with age. He's only just 21 so probably has another 4 yrs developing to do in that regard.

I'm more concerned about how he'll develop as a player. He'll only improve playing against (and with) top players and I don't think anyone is going to take that risk with him.

If we can get somebody in Germany or France to take him on loan at the moment I'd bite their hands off. Personally I'd like to see him played a bit deeper but with license to push on. I think he's a player who prefers to play with the game in front of him.

And some players just don't want to push themselves that extra bit mate or don't believe they need too.

I don't ever envisage a time in the future where you'd see dowell putting in a huge amount of running in a game for example.

Ultimately, he's a player who twenty odd years ago could have easily made it to the top, hell sheedy for us didn't exactly cover much ground, but in the modern game with fitness levels so high everywhere just don't see that type making it now.

Just think the lads grew up to this age able to get by on being far more talented than most others so never added those parts needed to make it, and can't think of many at his age who suddenly changed mentality on how they play the game which lets face it he'd have to do a complete u turn on

 

[Barnfred 55]

Gueye and Gomes are my first choice 6 and 8 If everyone fit. Covered by McCarthy and Davies they would be who I choose. However football moves on and if worst scenario comes and Gueye leaves we will be able to initially cover from within maybe to a lower quality but still at a decent level. We will then find either a like for like replacement or we may tweak our style of play. I think Silva wanted a different type of 6 to what Gueye is but his performances have convinced him that Gueye is the man for the job. If he does leave maybe Silva will go back to looking for the player he originally wanted. All credit to Gueye in the way he has made himself very important to the team.

As you say Gueye is doing a great job at the moment and, given the choice, I don't think the club will be looking to sell him. But if a club like PSG do indeed come knocking, it will be hard to keep hold of him especially if he himself wants to go. All dependant on whether they meet our valuation, and I'd be surprised if that was less than £30m given his age and remaining contract. The player is in his prime.

We'd use the money towards a replacement and I'd be surprised if it were like for like. Let's be honest, there aren't many about as good as him at what he does. I think we'd spend the money on a player like Ndombele or a player of that ilk if he proves to be beyond us.

 

[EnglishRoundabout]

Unbelievable to think anyone can think Gana is anything but an integral part of our team. There is no other player in the country that comes close to what he does in 90 minutes. He has been phenomenal this season, save for the odd game.

Brilliant player.

 

[Barnfred 55]

And some players just don't want to push themselves that extra bit mate or don't believe they need too.

I don't ever envisage a time in the future where you'd see dowell putting in a huge amount of running in a game for example.

Ultimately, he's a player who twenty odd years ago could have easily made it to the top, hell sheedy for us didn't exactly cover much ground, but in the modern game with fitness levels so high everywhere just don't see that type making it now.

Just think the lads grew up to this age able to get by on being far more talented than most others so never added those parts needed to make it, and can't think of many at his age who suddenly changed mentality on how they play the game which lets face it he'd have to do a complete u turn on

I don't think his work rate is actually that bad. I think it's just his languid style that gives that impression. Have you ever seen any running stats for him?. not a trick question because I haven't and it would be interesting to see.

 

[pedro1976]

Criminally underrated player. Does the donkey work of 2 or 3 players. The opposition do not get a second on the ball.

Doesn't score enough and can't thread through the eye of a needle but neither did bracewell and he was a vital player pre injury.

 

[EnglishRoundabout]

Criminally underrated player. Does the donkey work of 2 or 3 players. The opposition do not get a second on the ball.

Doesn't score enough and can't thread through the eye of a needle but neither did bracewell and he was a vital player pre injury.

Well said. Perfectly put.

 

[catcherintherye]

I thought the same but didn’t want to say it
We have no one and I mean no one who is remotely at Gana level in the position he plays
That Wilfred Barrios lad from South America is aayer who’s been mentioned on here who could possibly replace him but doesn’t seem to cover as much ground
Since Kante moved further forward there is no one in the PL who comes close to Gana in terms of tackles and possession won
I read somewhere he’s the top of the stats in Europe for some of those things

I'm a big fan of Gana but the PSG move would make a lot of sense for all concerned. He could play for any top team doing what Makalele did. He joined Chelsea at 30 and took the PL by storm. Gana still has plenty to offer.

That being said an offer of over 25 million quid we would consider. I don't think Silva has played with a Gana type much before. Barrios is more of a playmaker. I think we could look to bring him in and further adapt how we play.

 

[bluestevon]

I don't think his work rate is actually that bad. I think it's just his languid style that gives that impression. Have you ever seen any running stats for him?. not a trick question because I haven't and it would be interesting to see.

Honestly mate I haven't, it's all on what I see, which can often be misleading I know.

Hope the lad proves me well wrong, but for a whilst just got the strong feeling he will never make it above a mid table at best level.