Huge Job

[Eggs]

..things generally get worst before they get better.

 

[overkill]

I dont think its that huge, we need 3 defenders, a CM with good technique and a striker. All good actual footballers preferably.

That's 5 new players to go into our first 11 so close to the start of the season, that's massive.
Lets not forget the cost of those 5 players is beyond what we can afford.

 

[Abraders]

Everton haven't kicked a ball yet in a game that matters so people need to calm down and trust in the manager to get things right.The club panicked last year and just magnified a bad start into a total disaster.If we as fans or the owners of the club bottle it again then we will just end up with the other fat slug back by Christmas.
We need to just all give our heads a wobble and back the manager 100% this season and see where that takes us.

Don't understand this viewpoint tbh.

We were a total trainwreck last season, Koeman had us looking like pure relegation fodder. Allardyce came in and sorted it out.

 

[tsubaki]

Don't understand this viewpoint tbh.

We were a total trainwreck last season, Koeman had us looking like pure relegation fodder. Allardyce came in and sorted it out.

... then went mad.

To turn things around Silva has to phase out those players that are too old and/or too secure in the side - that means Williams, Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin and Gana. If they can be replaced with players bought in fine, but promoting youth would work as well. The important thing is that we don't keep doing the same thing over and over and over again, which can only shred confidence.

 

[Abraders]

... then went mad.

To turn things around Silva has to phase out those players that are too old and/or too secure in the side - that means Williams, Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin and Gana. If they can be replaced with players bought in fine, but promoting youth would work as well. The important thing is that we don't keep doing the same thing over and over and over again, which can only shred confidence.

We overrate our young lads. It seems every single young player we have is considered the 'answer' or worth giving a try etc - when in truth they probably just aren't ready/good enough.

Already got young Holgate, Kenny, Davies, DCL, Lookman and Dowell in and around the squad as it is.

Buy in some proper players.

 

[4737carlin]

I'm genuinely thinking I've been harsh on Moyes and might need to reevaluate my assessment of him. No joke. I'm serious.

Agree on this, its now looking like he did a great job compared to the idiots that followed him, starting with Martinez who basically un-did all the hard groundwork Moyes had in place. He had it hard, next to nothing to spend but worked miracles on a shoestring, ever since the budget has been great and the footbal worse

 

[tsubaki]

We overrate our young lads. It seems every single young player we have is considered the 'answer' or worth giving a try etc - when in truth they probably just aren't ready/good enough.

Already got young Holgate, Kenny, Davies, DCL, Lookman and Dowell in and around the squad as it is.

Buy in some proper players.

I don't think we (in the sense of the club rather than the fans) do overrate them - look at those players you've listed, all of them were deemed inferior last season to some absolute shockers that we paid large sums of money for (or in Martina's case felt like we had wasted a lot of money on) and were largely undroppable.

 

[daza_1973]

I'm genuinely thinking I've been harsh on Moyes and might need to reevaluate my assessment of him. No joke. I'm serious.

I agree to a point, but Moyes proved once he went to United he couldn't operate with a massive budget.
Hypothetically if he had still been here when the mega Sky money and Moshiri arrived I don't think he'd of fared any better than Bobby and Ronk.
I think that glass ceiling and knife to a gunfight stuff was a blessing in disguise for him during his Everton tenure.

 

[Abraders]

I don't think we (in the sense of the club rather than the fans) do overrate them - look at those players you've listed, all of them were deemed inferior last season to some absolute shockers that we paid large sums of money for (or in Martina's case felt like we had wasted a lot of money on) and were largely undroppable.

Yes but these players were already proving their worth to Everton. So we knew these ones had ability. Lookman was obviously bought in, because he has ability.

Kenny and Davies had a really poor season just gone also. Only Holgate and DCL did well.

Reering off track a little here. Anyway, a lot of people think we could just throw the likes of Robinson, Hewelt, Conolley, Baningime etc straight into the team... we deffo can't

 

[tsubaki]

Yes but these players were already proving their worth to Everton. So we knew these ones had ability. Lookman was obviously bought in, because he has ability.

Kenny and Davies had a really poor season just gone also. Only Holgate and DCL did well.

Reering off track a little here. Anyway, a lot of people think we could just throw the likes of Robinson, Hewelt, Conolley, Baningime etc straight into the team... we deffo can't

Their performances need to be judged against and with the rest of the side though.

Kenny and Davies were not great last season, but they were better than Martina and Schneiderlin - yet it was Kenny and Davies who were dropped after bad games (or even average games), the others were kept in or even when they were dropped were brought back quickly. Holgate was dropped even though he was our best defender and had even managed to make Williams decline less noticeable. Lookman was never given anything like a chance, and DCL was only given one because one manager viscerally hated Niasse and another one hated wingers. The effect that must have had on their confidence (and the collective confidence of the team) was clear to see.

What worries me is that its something we have been doing for years now - Howard instead of Robles, Baines instead of Galloway, Alcaraz instead of literally anyone. It has cost us and will keep costing us until we find out why on earth we keep doing it.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yes, yes, yes

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I agree to a point, but Moyes proved once he went to United he couldn't operate with a massive budget.
Hypothetically if he had still been here when the mega Sky money and Moshiri arrived I don't think he'd of fared any better than Bobby and Ronk.
I think that glass ceiling and knife to a gunfight stuff was a blessing in disguise for him during his Everton tenure.

You say that, but his two big signings, Mata and Fellaini, are still important parts of Man Utds first team squad. His problem at Man Utd was he was following the best British manager of all-time and the squad did not see him as prestigious enough.

It is hard to say how he would have fared in the longer term, but the issues he identified with that team have proven to be correct, and two huge managerial names with enormous budgets have not fared much better.

His Sunderland run was awful though, and he was very average at Sociedad. Did a good job at West Ham though, especially with all the unrest there.

 

[daza_1973]

You say that, but his two big signings, Mata and Fellaini, are still important parts of Man Utds first team squad. His problem at Man Utd was he was following the best British manager of all-time and the squad did not see him as prestigious enough.

It is hard to say how he would have fared in the longer term, but the issues he identified with that team have proven to be correct, and two huge managerial names with enormous budgets have not fared much better.

His Sunderland run was awful though, and he was very average at Sociedad. Did a good job at West Ham though, especially with all the unrest there.

Fellaini wasn't really a judgement call as he knew what he offered already - I'd have him back at a heartbeat (Fellaini)

 

[RomanReigns]

i think it's clear that we lack pace in defence

we need to bring in 4 defensive players with pace

a left back with pace, 2 centre halves with pace and a mobile central midfielder / defensive midfielder with pace

baines, jags, keane and schneiderlin dont have pace

 

[Steve Wigan]

I'm genuinely thinking I've been harsh on Moyes and might need to reevaluate my assessment of him. No joke. I'm serious.

You do that ,and I'll have to seriously re evaluate my assessment of you!