How satisfied so far are you with the running of Everton by the Friedkin group ?

[davek]

They get involved in Roma to the same extent they do here
They appoint who they they deem to be competent professionals and let them do their job
If those competent professionals don’t do their job competently then the Friedkins will sack them
So you ask why haven’t they sacked Moyes or Kinnear ?
We don’t know what their remit was when they were appointed
Maybe they are competently carrying out the remit they were given when appointed
As to finances
They restructured the debt as do all big companies
They got the stadium finished
The carpetbagger ( who you said on numerous occasions would never start to build the stadium ) hadn’t got the money to finish it TFG did
They also spent a lot of time getting sponsors in and making sure the stadium earned more money which according to TFG will go straight back into the club
As I said still too early to say
As was said they walked into a skipfire and are not finished the process yet
I will give them till August 2027
See will they invest this summer
See will they sack Moyes next June
See who they appoint as new manager and see will they back him
Roma wasn’t built in a day Dave neither will Everton
There again you may be right ( there’s a first time for everything ) and they may steady the ship and flip the club for a profit

I'm not convinced by any of that, tbh.

I think you know you're cutting them way too much slack.

 

[Brisan123]

I'm not convinced by any of that, tbh.

I think you know you're cutting them way too much slack.

Not too much slack
Not that I’m a financial or business whizz kid but it’s something I take more than a passing interest in
I realised the scale of the work that was ahead of TFG and what a mess the footballing side of things was in and I am prepared to give them some time to sort it
If this summer doesn’t go well then I’ll call them out and if we are not in a vastly improved position both financially and football wise come August 2027 then I’ll be prepared to say I was wrong and they should go
As I said in my original post
240/250 m would buy 5 first team starters and a couple of squad players this season (budget plus sales )
Next summer then one marquee signing and a couple of squad reinforcements should leave us challenging for CL places

 

[davek]

The poll above: only a fifth of all who've voted see them as having done an even 'okayish' job.

The vast majority of the fans on the forum are some shade between underwhelmed and outraged by them.

18 months in control.


I wouldn't be looking to pitchfork them atm; but they need to hire better people to run this club if they insists on not being a presence at this club - treating us in effect like some lunatic they've locked up in the attic - onfield and club governance wise. And this summer we need to see two new FBs, an established goalscorer and some pace in the team with a winger added. And there should be an insistence that Rohl, Dibling, Harrison at a minimum are given much more game time.

First impressions are usually defining; but they've (just about) got enough time to rescue this situation.

 

[davek]

Not too much slack
Not that I’m a financial or business whizz kid but it’s something I take more than a passing interest in
I realised the scale of the work that was ahead of TFG and what a mess the footballing side of things was in and I am prepared to give them some time to sort it
If this summer doesn’t go well then I’ll call them out and if we are not in a vastly improved position both financially and football wise come August 2027 then I’ll be prepared to say I was wrong and they should go
As I said in my original post
240/250 m would buy 5 first team starters and a couple of squad players this season (budget plus sales )
Next summer then one marquee signing and a couple of squad reinforcements should leave us challenging for CL places

That's fair comment.

We'll see starting this this summer, I suppose.

 

[Brisan123]

The poll above: only a fifth of all who've voted see them as having done an even 'okayish' job.

The vast majority of the fans on the forum are some shade between underwhelmed and outraged by them.

18 months in control.


I wouldn't be looking to pitchfork them atm; but they need to hire better people to run this club if they insists on not being a presence at this club - treating us in effect like some lunatic they've locked up in the attic - onfield and club governance wise. And this summer we need to see two new FBs, an established goalscorer and some pace in the team with a winger added. And there should be an insistence that Rohl, Dibling, Harrison at a minimum are given much more game time.

First impressions are usually defining; but they've (just about) got enough time to rescue this situation.

The problem with polls like this is we are voting on things that we haven’t got the full facts
Player performance we can vote on because we see them play
Manager we can vote on because we see his selections , his tactics , his substitutes and his signings
Stadium you can vote on because you can see it and walk around it
Owners (especially TFG) don’t show you anything you don’t need to see
So how can you judge something or someone when you don’t see the full picture

 

[davek]

The problem with polls like this is we are voting on things that we haven’t got the full facts
Player performance we can vote on because we see them play
Manager we can vote on because we see his selections , his tactics , his substitutes and his signings
Stadium you can vote on because you can see it and walk around it
Owners (especially TFG) don’t show you anything you don’t need to see
So how can you judge something or someone when you don’t see the full picture

Buck stops with the manager and ultimately them.

That's how it's always worked.

13th and no cup runs = massive failure for last season.

They need to do something about that. If they dint sack the manager then they get ALL the blame.

Simple as that.

 

[Brisan123]

Bi=uckk stops with the manager and ultimately them.

That's how it's always worked.

13th and no cup runs = massive failure for last season.

They need to do something about that. If they dint sack the manager then they get ALL the blame.

Simple as that.

We don’t know the remit Moyes was given when he was appointed
We had something like like 12 first team players signed to contracts last summer
Moyes may have been told TFG would be quite happy with mid table given the state of the squad when he arrived plus the amount of money available
He may have overachieved his target last season
Maybe his remit for this season is to challenge for Europe
We don’t know and you don’t sack a man for hitting his targets
Maybe the targets were set too low but that’s not on Moyes
I’m not defending Moyes BTW I’d happily see him sacked in the morning but it’s not going to Happen

 

[davek]

We don’t know the remit Moyes was given when he was appointed
We had something like like 12 first team players signed to contracts last summer
Moyes may have been told TFG would be quite happy with mid table given the state of the squad when he arrived plus the amount of money available
He may have overachieved his target last season
Maybe his remit for this season is to challenge for Europe
We don’t know and you don’t sack a man for hitting his targets
Maybe the targets were set too low but that’s not on Moyes
I’m not defending Moyes BTW I’d happily see him sacked in the morning but it’s not going to Happen

No one hands a manager a remit to get 49 points and 13th place and get bundled out of two cup competitions early.

Moyes was a failure. They know it. If they prefer to keep him on we have to conclude that's because they are not ambitious for us.

They have this summer to prove that wrong.

 

[Brisan123]

No one hands a manager a remit to get 49 points and 13th place and get bundled out of two cup competitions early.

Moyes was a failure. They know it. If they prefer to keep him on we have to conclude that's because they are not ambitious for us.

They have this summer to prove that wrong.

Maybe so but given the precarious position the club was in when they came in maybe stability on the field was the remit while they sorted the rest out
If you buy a falling down house you don’t buy a fancy 3 piece suite and dining room table and chairs before you fix the roof , the rising damp , and replace the windows
Maybe Moyes is the wooden crate and deck chairs to sit on and eat off while the roof the damp and the windows are fixed
Maybe June 2027 will see the 3 piece suite ( new manager ) brought in
Time will tell but TFG will know eyes are on them
They may not care eyes are on them but they will know

 

[UltraVires]

The problem is that there is no real mechanism to ask questions or hold them to account no matter how much we moan or complain about certain issues.

The FAB, fans forum and pretty much any other group like the two mentioned have no power or voice that anyone really listens to or takes note of. They all look good on paper but in practice they mean nothing

 

[davek]

Maybe so but given the precarious position the club was in when they came in maybe stability on the field was the remit while they sorted the rest out
If you buy a falling down house you don’t buy a fancy 3 piece suite and dining room table and chairs before you fix the roof , the rising damp , and replace the windows
Maybe Moyes is the wooden crate and deck chairs to sit on and eat off while the roof the damp and the windows are fixed
Maybe June 2027 will see the 3 piece suite ( new manager ) brought in
Time will tell but TFG will know eyes are on them
They may not care eyes are on them but they will know

Everton were never in that condition when TFG arrived.

We'd been stabilised with a very good effort by Dyche in his one full season and we were never in danger of going down when Moyes arrived back.

There's a lot of exaggeration of what TFG stepped into here. They got the club for a knock down price and had the time to restructure the business; they had a decent enough squad fir mid table when they arrived so should have pushed for a top manager and handed Moyes his golden handshake last summer. They lost their nerve and they and we paid for it.

 

[Brisan123]

The problem is that there is no real mechanism to ask questions or hold them to account no matter how much we moan or complain about certain issues.

The FAB, fans forum and pretty much any other group like the two mentioned have no power or voice that anyone really listens to or takes note of. They all look good on paper but in practice they mean nothing

Yes but it’s the same at all other clubs

Everton were never in that condition when TFG arrived.

We'd been stabilised with a very good effort by Dyche in his one full season and we were never in danger of going down when Moyes arrived back.

There's a lot of exaggeration of what TFG stepped into here. They got the club for a knock down price and had the time to restructure the business; they had a decent enough squad fir mid table when they arrived so should have pushed for a top manager and handed Moyes his golden handshake last summer. They lost their nerve and they and we paid for it.

Dave we had about 12 contracted players last summer
We were in a precarious position
If we hadn’t kept Moyes and got a new manager in with the change of style , influx of players , limited budget and new stadium we could have , not would have been in trouble
I don’t want him here long term but I can see some rational in TFG keeping Moyes short term to protect their investment
Keeping Moyes was purely a business decision not a footballing one

 

[Brisan123]

No one hands a manager a remit to get 49 points and 13th place and get bundled out of two cup competitions early.

Moyes was a failure. They know it. If they prefer to keep him on we have to conclude that's because they are not ambitious for us.

They have this summer to prove that wrong.

Maybe the remit was to have us comfortable in mid table after a few seasons skirting relegation
Maybe it was a 2 year plan to steady the ship get the house in order financially and then
A kick on
B Sell for a big profit
Who knows only time will tell

 

[UTFT78]

Never met them

 

[Swartzy]

The poll above: only a fifth of all who've voted see them as having done an even 'okayish' job.

The vast majority of the fans on the forum are some shade between underwhelmed and outraged by them.

18 months in control.


I wouldn't be looking to pitchfork them atm; but they need to hire better people to run this club if they insists on not being a presence at this club - treating us in effect like some lunatic they've locked up in the attic - onfield and club governance wise. And this summer we need to see two new FBs, an established goalscorer and some pace in the team with a winger added. And there should be an insistence that Rohl, Dibling, Harrison at a minimum are given much more game time.

First impressions are usually defining; but they've (just about) got enough time to rescue this situation.

I don't think that poll can be taken seriously at the moment, It's just going to be a reactionary poll and a lot of responses will come off other things like the dislike of Moyes, whilst Ignoring anything they have done well for us.

The Poll is a blinded Poll until we have given them time to show us one way or another, so even you should be saying next Summer.

You make your stance on things to early mate, and the worst thing about that is you have no wriggle room.
No matter what they do from now on, you've already made your decision and you will search for any possible error in there portfolio.

Give it a couple of months and you'll be complaining about a Toyota parked in a cycle lane.