Anyone ever wonder why Corbyn supports Arsenal and not Spurs?
Current Affairs How old were you when you grew up and stopped voting Labour?
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peteblue
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It was indeed. But it was perhaps the worst run election that the Tories ever did. They thought they would walk it and basically cocked up the manifesto.....fox hunting.....I ask you.......
Because their shirts are red and they win stuff ?
Socrates
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The title of this thread reminds me of the old saying:
"When I was young, I had a narrow waist and a broad mind. The older I get, the more those two things change places with each other."
Not true of everyone. I'm still only one size bigger in the waist since I was 20 and my mind is broader then ever.
And the more I achieve, the less selfish I have become.
So there's no way I'd ever vote conservative and that's as a small business owner who employs others and is happy to pay my taxes and help my community.
I can't see why people think that wanting our fellow members of society get paid a living wage, a fully functioning health and social service, an adequate safety net and support network for the most vulnerable in society, free education for all and ownership of our most important assets such as our water, our energy production and distribution and railway system are bad for the country.
If I'm wrong then we have all turned into an island of petty, selfish fools, content that the fruits of our society's labour end up stashed outside of the country in tax havens and boosting the prices of homes, rather than providing the above, which it once did but has slowly and stealthily been taken away and sold off to enrich a tiny number of people. All in the hope that some of it will trickle back down to us. Blaming those below for taking what is ours instead of looking up at the real thieves of our society's efforts and dreams.
But hey, that's just my take.
"When I was young, I had a narrow waist and a broad mind. The older I get, the more those two things change places with each other."
Not true of everyone. I'm still only one size bigger in the waist since I was 20 and my mind is broader then ever.
And the more I achieve, the less selfish I have become.
So there's no way I'd ever vote conservative and that's as a small business owner who employs others and is happy to pay my taxes and help my community.
I can't see why people think that wanting our fellow members of society get paid a living wage, a fully functioning health and social service, an adequate safety net and support network for the most vulnerable in society, free education for all and ownership of our most important assets such as our water, our energy production and distribution and railway system are bad for the country.
If I'm wrong then we have all turned into an island of petty, selfish fools, content that the fruits of our society's labour end up stashed outside of the country in tax havens and boosting the prices of homes, rather than providing the above, which it once did but has slowly and stealthily been taken away and sold off to enrich a tiny number of people. All in the hope that some of it will trickle back down to us. Blaming those below for taking what is ours instead of looking up at the real thieves of our society's efforts and dreams.
But hey, that's just my take.
It's not as either/or as you make out though. I mean in healthcare alone, the crazy American system is always used as the benchmark of why non-government is bad, but Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and a host of other European countries all have hospitals run by non-government bodies (usually a mixture of non-profit and for-profit). Indeed, all primary care in the UK is provided by small businesses just like yourself.
So I'd like to think it's obvious that people can want the same outcome (ie great service delivery), whether that's in healthcare, the railways or whatever, but believe that the best way of achieving that can differ. I mean no one argues that the airlines or the telecom infrastructure should be re-nationalised, yet they're both key assets for the country. Differences of approach doesn't render someone a 'selfish fool', as you so kindly put it
As if. It's obviously because he HATES JEWS.
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Of course it is - the Brexit referendum was nonsense, but what it revealed was that more than half the country did not recognize the benefits of being part of the EU. That is despite acres of newsprint, hours of commentary and the experience of being part of the EU for decades.
If the country holds a second referendum before those people have recognized the benefits of being in the EU, not only is it likely Remain would lose again but it would also give a much stronger mandate to the people who led the Leave side - one that they could then use to do whatever they want.
People voted for this, they should be made to experience it so that they don't do something like it again.
neil999
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This is the problem with ALL politicians believing in their own hype, bar the odd few they are a bunch of oddball narcissists...
He is the opposition leader. People voted for the Tories, so by this logic he should sit back and let the Tories do what they like in the hope that the electorate will realise their mistake and never do it again. He could do that. Goodness knows, the Lib Dems seem to be doing a passable impression of that, but we should hope for more from our politicians shouldn't we?
tsubaki
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Not really - they are the Government, this is something that is entirely of their own making, the policies that his internal enemies have come out with are stupid and if he fought on them now he would lose. Opposition should be effective, not self-defeating.
I enjoyed the irony of Owen Smith's oh-so-brave stance on Brexit. He is so duplicitous that he even sold out his own solitary principle of wanting a Labour Party capable of winning an election.
Another irony in amongst the hostile anti-semitic far left takeover of our once-great party is how Corbyn's position on Brexit is actually pretty middle-ground. He's trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible for the sake of unity. I suppose you could even call him a centrist, but he actually believes in something.
zzr45
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But isn’t a politicians job at the end of the day to be serve the people to the best of their ability?
The problem is that nobody ever actually considered for a second ‘Leave’ would win. It was supposed to be a close run thing that would give this country the power to go to Brussels and say ‘Ha, we were this close to leaving, here’s the changes we want.’ Sadly, not everyone got the script.
That said, it is an issue in the here and now. Any politician should be doing their best to ensure that the people come out of it as well as possible. To sit there and do nothing, leading us even further down the garden path, just so in a few years Corbyn can get a win because the country is that shafted is one of the most selfish, power hungry positions one could possibly imagine.
Politics isn’t tribal, it should be about ensuring progress and people are looked after. Not this awful cult of personality that’s going on.
You mean like some ground rules?
- Fair migration system for UK business and communities
- Retaining strong, collaborative relationship with EU
- Protecting national security and tackling cross-border crime
- Delivering for all nations and regions of the UK
- Protecting workers' rights and employment protections
- Ensuring same benefits currently enjoyed within single market
Or do you mean a second referendum? That's not too great an idea for anyone who purports to be a democrat. And if somebody repeats that bizarre 'the good thing about democracy is that you can change your mind' line again, I think even I'd vote Brexit next time. I wouldn't.
zzr45
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The first part is exactly what needs to happen, the opposition need to be like hawks to ensure we get the best. What doesn’t need to happen is the opposition sit back, let them get on with it and come in as heroic saviours down the line when it’s all gone to pot.
I agree totally mate, it's just that they need to approach things with a degree of caution. If you go out all guns blazing, in the Owen Smith way for example, then there's not going to much of an opposition left to clear up the mess. That doesn't benefit anybody except for the Tories.
This is their mess, they own it. That's not sitting back, that's realising that this is one big sh*te game of chess that nobody wanted to play, so you don't go trying to take every piece with your queen straight away.
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