How long did Moyes hold us back for ?

[nigelcoyb]

Don't hate stats, just don't post daft hyperthetical ones like that above.

I reckon we'll get 38 points you pessimist... The same as second place got last season.

Of course we probably wouldn't of got anything like that figure with the squad Martinez would of had back then though, before Moyes held us back with signings like Mirallas, Naismith, Stones, Oviedo and Gibson, and without the loans that became available this year like Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu, but I like your thinking, its meaningless but I like it anyway.. Also you don't have to argue if Martinez is better than Moyes... he is.

Its a gutting season in a way this one, as well as an ace one of course, but Martinez deserves to be much higher in the table, and whilst he is doing a sublime job in transforming us, if 5th is no acheivement to you on a negative spend as you keep informing me, then its no acheivement to you, which is sad, its been a great year.
Its been a great decade truth be told.

Fortunately for me, I find progress is great and something I appreciate, and how Martinez has done is really impressive despite a season of what you would call abject failure as we didn't win anything, but with the manager providing an additional kick on our progress, personally I am just happy we got the right man to take Moyes good work and improve it further and make it his own, and make everyone except those that need silverware happy.

Been the best season since '95. The league position is minor compared to the restoration of hope and ambition something long gone under the charlatan Moyes. I'm afraid I can't forgive people taking the piss out of Everton and that's what Moyes did and I'm not just referring to his early day Utd antics.

 

[Ihaters]

Been the best season since '95. The league position is minor compared to the restoration of hope and ambition something long gone under the charlatan Moyes. I'm afraid I can't forgive people taking the piss out of Everton and that's what Moyes did and I'm not just referring to his early day Utd antics.

He's definately been unforgivable since he left us. Finishing 4th was better than our current 5th though, because that got us to the CL. Finish 4th and it will be an epic season that blows anything Moyes did away though..

You don't need to sell progress to me mate, I've been telling you the merits of it for a fair while now against the backset of you putting your hands over your ears going lalalalala I can't hear you. No trophies = pants season... lalalala

If he doesn't win anything, then the seasons not been good enough for Everton isn't that the philosophy you keep ramming down my throat?

Its good you've finally come round to a more open way of thinking, even though you can't bring yourself to do it for the past manager, at least we're all singing from the same hymn sheet about the current and future of the club.

Onwards and upwards, progress is good.

 

[Moomin]

Its the board that holds us back, if they had there way Moyes would still be our manager with a big fat juicy 4 year contract last summer.

 

[nigelcoyb]

He's definately been unforgivable since he left us. Finishing 4th was better than our current 5th though, because that got us to the CL. Finish 4th and it will be an epic season that blows anything Moyes did away though..

You don't need to sell progress to me mate, I've been telling you the merits of it for a fair while now against the backset of you putting your hands over your ears going lalalalala I can't hear you. No trophies = pants season... lalalala

If he doesn't win anything, then the seasons not been good enough for Everton isn't that the philosophy you keep ramming down my throat?

Its good you've finally come round to a more open way of thinking, even though you can't bring yourself to do it for the past manager, at least we're all singing from the same hymn sheet about the current and future of the club.

Onwards and upwards, progress is good.

With respect mate I don't think you get it at all.

We don't have a divine right to win anything but accepting we never will and playing accordingly is shameful and therein is the shining difference between Martinez and Moyes.

Martinez is prepared to dare and go down fighting to win the prize, Moyes was a coward safe in mid table with silverware never on the agenda. Unbelievably he carried that into Utd, absolute buffoon he is.

CL every season since 06/07 if we'd binned Moyes for a Martinez type ... wow!

 

[Furey1878]

He didnt hold us back, he left at the perfect time, he left Martinez a talented squad of good honest lads as a base, Martinez filled in the blanks with regard the squad, changed the tactics and gave them all the belief to go out and shine.

Hopefully today will be the last time we as a fan base look back, the futures bright, embrace it and look towards it.

Just quoting this elegant summary again to dissuade blues from obsessing over Moyes.

 

[Furey1878]

Although to be on topic, in hindsight I'd say ~2010 or 2011.

That said, it took till the 3-0 Wigan defeat for me to not be bothered about him going.

 

[Ihaters]

With respect mate I don't think you get it at all.

We don't have a divine right to win anything but accepting we never will and playing accordingly is shameful and therein is the shining difference between Martinez and Moyes.

Martinez is prepared to dare and go down fighting to win the prize, Moyes was a coward safe in mid table with silverware never on the agenda. Unbelievably he carried that into Utd, absolute buffoon he is.

CL every season since 06/07 if we'd binned Moyes for a Martinez type ... wow!

No mate, your rewriting your own post hisotry, that's not what you've argued to me.

No silverware, no acheivement. You were really very clear on the matter.

 

[canuckblue]

True but I would liken the FA cup loss to Arsenal, getting battered by the Liverpool, and conceding 3 goals to Crystal Palace all qualify as "bottling it in a big game"

Getting beat by an Arsenal team at its best and having several first-teamers out in the derby means those games aren't in the "bottling it" category, in my mind. But a meek and abject rollover against the [Poor language removed] at Wembley and a quarterfinal humiliation by Wigan, for starters, definitely were, never mind the zero away wins in the league at Analfield, the Shed, Arsenal and Old Crapford over 11 seasons. The players bottled it against Palace, the lineup Martinez picked was, albeit surprising, more than sufficient to win that game, even if Palace have been playing out of their skin of late.
To me, "bottling it" is more of a mental thing than a physical one and that's where Moyes let us down, with his constant dampening of expectations, "knife to a gunfight" mentality, mind-numbing defensive tactics and mind-boggling use (or non-use) of subs. So when it came to those big games, the team was set up to fail almost every time.

 

[anton66]

Its the board that holds us back, if they had there way Moyes would still be our manager with a big fat juicy 4 year contract last summer.

Exactly. Does anyone honestly think we are going to spend a lot of money in the summer? Kenwright must be loving seeing how high we are in the league so why spend any money on transfers.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Bore off Moyes.

 

[nigelcoyb]

No mate, your rewriting your own post hisotry, that's not what you've argued to me.

No silverware, no acheivement. You were really very clear on the matter.

I imagine you're taking something out of context mate, time scale seems the most likely omission.

In fact I deffo say you've made it up while messing with chemicals.

 

[babyhayley]

He wasn't backed after that period tho mate. He watched the likes of spurs, city, l'pool and the rest spend big money, where he had next to nothing bar the lescott money. He can't be blamed for everything.

I'm not blaming him for that. I only looked back at his career and thought that was the moment when we reached our zenith under his stewardship. He signed some real gems: Cahill, Arteta, Howard, Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Martyn, Mirallas etc. I could go on and I'm forever grateful like most. No one begrudged his subsequent move to Manure. It's the stuff that followed last summer that left some very angry, including me.

 

[Khalekan]

Its the board that holds us back, if they had there way Moyes would still be our manager with a big fat juicy 4 year contract last summer.

That's a scary thought, innit

But for Fergie's intervention we would still be stuck with Moyes...

 

[deipnosophist]

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/04...es-as-man-out-of-time-at-old-trafford/137197/

good article

 

[Khalekan]

Excellent.

First article I have read thus far which gets to the kernel.