How long did Moyes hold us back for ?

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Ihaters said:
Not saying Martinez isn't better, I'm saying Moyes didn't hold us back and subsequently did the opposite by improving us.
Ultimately, Martinez has achieved the same as people moan Moyes did so far... He hasn't won silverware and sits outside the CL position.. But its progress so it isn't holding us back, its pushing us forwards, which is what Moyes did, just Martinez did it more spectacularly.
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yeah up until last 3/4 years ago which is what i'm only talking about, because he didn't hold us back before then imo. but after then we've been missing out on europe. when you see certain teams like wigan and swansea getting there instead of us, you could say we should have been qualifying ourselves.
 
Everton done more for Moyes than Moyes done for Everton he was here 11 years won f@ck all ,the club made him a millionaire while he whinged on about not getting money for players he sat on a fat contract waiting for some so called big club to come in for him which never happened until purple nose put a good word in for him at utd
yes he stabilized the club like a f@cking piece of cardboard under a wonky table that was as good as it got
he didn't hold the club back he just spread a negative mentality to the point of we should be grateful just to compete to sum him up he lingered like a rancid fart good riddance
 
He did a great job for us up until a couple of years ago when he began to run out of ideas. I think he lost interest as well as belief. The United job was decided months before Ferguson retired and in my view our performances in the second half of last season suffered as a result. Very happy that things have worked out as they have, though I wouldn't write him off at United just yet.
 
There are plenty of clubs of similar size to Everton; Villa, West Aaaam, New'astle who're suffering bad management at the coaching level and the boardroom level - we haven't been one of those since Smith was in charge. We're an up and coming club, with a good academy system and we have a big future, and Moyes is part of that... even if he has to look up at us to see it ;)
 

Yepp, i think the one a few Evertonians have said, and i could echo that sentiment more is David Moyes was an excellent manager at what he went out to do, which was not lose. I think the reason why Martinez is so popular is because he excels exactly where Moyes did, and but instead of setting up not to lose, he sets up to win, every single game, and he does it in a sexy fashion!

We've been to Arsenal, Chelsea, United and City this season and went down fighting in everyone, picking up 4pts in the process, which is a good return considering we could have in reality won 3 of those 4, with Moyes, we may well of gritted out those 4-5 wins against the West Broms, and got ourselves up the table but it was never 'pretty', whereas a supporter you knew going to Chelsea or United, you'd sit there and think.... i can be the one who says 'i was there' when moyes first won at a 'big 4', which in 11 years of not happening is a disgrace, especially seeing as the likes of Blackpool, Charlton, Hull and the likes did so with ease.
I think last season the frustrating thing for me was, we started so promisingly, we hammered Swansea and all that, and our reputation as slow starters eventually disintegrated before our very eyes, then he got tapped up, and effectively couldn't give a rats arse, which was so disrespectful to the fans.

I guess, overall the big pat on the back goes to Kenwright on the board, reluctantly, and Moyes too, as had he not left when he did (or sooner), we may not have gotten Bobby, which i'm entirely grateful for.
 
when i see old videos of games from a decade ago, he was smiling and enjoyed the role, he seemed distant from the the last couple of years. i think he probably did lose the hunger and desire to do anything meaningful at everton. possibly plodded along just picking up the wages making sure his job was secure by making sure we weren't too adventerous but did enough to keep the job. who knows.
 
MaineEvertonian said:
Moyes DID have us punching above our weight for while. That stopped about 3-4 years ago.
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NO HE DID NOT YOU FOOL, he got us higher than we had been for a few years , that's all, not punching above our weight, that's implying we were a recently promoted football club from the lower leagues who had never played in the top flight, get some respect
 
barneygumble said:
Long enough.

I respect the job he did at Everton, but for me, the year where we got smashed by Benfica and Sporting, he should have went that season, he cried and cried, about having no money, then went and signed Bilyaletdinov for £11m, then cried more in January.

The whole set up became stagnant, maybe you could say us fans were a little to ungrateful for the job he was doing in the final years, considering he took over and transformed our squad from Blomqvist, Ginola and Gazza to Arteta, Cahill, Mirallas, Coleman, Baines etc... But it was too predictable, and well the sub 30,000 crowds were the tell tale sign. I think the majority of the blues turned when he bottled it in the Semi against the RS, and the what little faith was left, well and truly vanished when we lost 3-0 to Wigan.
Those first 5-6 seasons however, were cracking and i'll never forget that run in the Uefa Cup.
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Yeah mate the Sporting game is when i turned against him
 

He didnt hold us back, he left at the perfect time, he left Martinez a talented squad of good honest lads as a base, Martinez filled in the blanks with regard the squad, changed the tactics and gave them all the belief to go out and shine.

Hopefully today will be the last time we as a fan base look back, the futures bright, embrace it and look towards it.
 
Moyes peaked and his decline started at pace in January when he both knew he was going to United and Bill would not give him money to spend and go for a final push for Europe last season. He wouldn't commit to a new contract, and, an astute Bill kept his wallet shut. Moyes' mentality does not allow him to manage like Ferguson. He is a non-loser rather than a winner so I can't see him ever getting past just one season at United. We would never get any further under Moyes so him leaving was a blessing.
 
nigelcoyb said:
Went backwards from that day being pedantic about it.
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To be pedantic, what actually happened, was the opposite to what you said. We dropped back down and had to rebuild, progressing each year from the initial dip.

Your version of being pedantic, i.e. going backwards from that day on, wouldn't of seen our last 4 results end 8th then 7th, then 7th, then 6th... That's not going backwards. Being pedantic that is.
 
Columbo2 said:
Moyes peaked and his decline started at pace in January when he both knew he was going to United and Bill would not give him money to spend and go for a final push for Europe last season. He wouldn't commit to a new contract, and, an astute Bill kept his wallet shut. Moyes' mentality does not allow him to manage like Ferguson. He is a non-loser rather than a winner so I can't see him ever getting past just one season at United. We would never get any further under Moyes so him leaving was a blessing.
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Agree with all but this bit.
We only gained 3 more points in the first half of last season than we did in the second half, we finished 6th, higher than the previous 3 or 4 years after chasing hard for a 4th place for much of the season, hardly the actions of a club guided by a manager that had given up.
 

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