How are you feeling about the club?

[COYBL25]

Deja Vu


* but with lots and lots more money spunked this time around

 

[Frankie Four Fingers]

let down

 

[riddick]

I didn't even have huge expectations and I'm not any of those, I'm just sad. I watch Everton more now out of habit. I remember in Martinez' first season literally jumping up and down during the whole match.

I miss fun Everton..

 

[The binman chronicles]

We have potential like Zat said. It may be dire now but it gets darkest just before the dawn. (ok ok may have borrowed that from a well known superhero film)

Lots of teams have tried to sign a load of players and then found out the team doesn't gel. Players need time, I remember Baines having a season on the bench due to some shockers, sometimes you have to grow into the club. I'm pretty hopeful that we will see improvements from Keane, Klaassen and Sigurdsson over the course of their time with Everton. We still have 3 pretty decent players to come back from injury and I'm sure we will go after a decent striker come January.

Give Koeman until the end of the season and if it continues to be a disaster say goodbye and get another decent manager in. As per original post it would be good to enhance our reputation of a club that doesn't just fire managers during a sticky patch. As long as the green shoots of recovery begin to show then we can stick by him. It shows other managers that they will get a fair crack of the whip here and may help us get to a higher level or world class manager.

We are still a million times better off than the days of Kenwright owning us.

 

[Caolam]

I thought that we would have an improved transfer window this summer. We were so bad at New Year we the board had to step up and make some improvements. I was somewhat amazed by the way we started the window, we were like a kid in a sweet shop just buying everything. Then we started to revert to type.
We are Everton, we give hope and then we snatch it away.
If we get a new stadium I purpose we call it False Dawn Park.

 

[Blues Harp]

We have potential like Zat said. It may be dire now but it gets darkest just before the dawn. (ok ok may have borrowed that from a well known superhero film)

Lots of teams have tried to sign a load of players and then found out the team doesn't gel. Players need time, I remember Baines having a season on the bench due to some shockers, sometimes you have to grow into the club. I'm pretty hopeful that we will see improvements from Keane, Klaassen and Sigurdsson over the course of their time with Everton. We still have 3 pretty decent players to come back from injury and I'm sure we will go after a decent striker come January.

Give Koeman until the end of the season and if it continues to be a disaster say goodbye and get another decent manager in. As per original post it would be good to enhance our reputation of a club that doesn't just fire managers during a sticky patch. As long as the green shoots of recovery begin to show then we can stick by him. It shows other managers that they will get a fair crack of the whip here and may help us get to a higher level or world class manager.

We are still a million times better off than the days of Kenwright owning us.

Kenwright is still heavily involved imo......why is Rooney here otherwise?

 

[ilikecheese]

Flaccid.

 

[Azzurri]

What on earth is this poll zat?

Those first two options are redundant when the question might as well be “How would you feel about a swift kick in the bollocks and the news that entire family has died plane crash?”

 

[The binman chronicles]

Kenwright is still heavily involved imo......why is Rooney here otherwise?

Of course he is but it's not like we are checking the back of the sofa to decide if we can buy a player or keep the lights on at Goodison. The fact that we fired Martinez paying 12 million to him and then in the region of between 4 and 6 to Southampton shows we are in a completely different era to the one Bill had full control over. In the past I would have been deeply worried that another Moyes/Martinez type punt would have to be appointed, I'm sure we will get someone half decent should things not pick up.

For the second point, I'm sure Bill did want to bring home a blue but If Koeman and/or Walsh didn't want Rooney he wouldn't be back and in Koeman's case he wouldn't be in the team.

 

[MikeH72]

Hahahaha

 

[tirion]

I'm both amazed and depressed/dumbfounded by our current situation.

How is it that we seem to have so many positives when looking at the different areas of our club and yet I have never felt as negative as I do now even when Walter Smith was manager, or even in Kendalls 3rd stint...its totally beyond me.

Do I have increased expectations? Naturally I do, even if we didn't have a billionaire owner and had to 'go with what we've got' I'd get some excitement in seeing our young players on the pitch. With a billionaire owner and even if we haven't spent what I expected in transfer fees, some intelligent use of the funds could have been wisely invested.

I am feeling apathetic at the moment...there seems to be no passion from the players on the pitch...no positive objectives set by Moshiri, and my thoughts on Koeman have been adequately publicised when we appointed him...Kenwrights face at the Brighton game told the story in 1000 words...depressed and sad.

Why should I be making Everton a priority when for the first time since I can remember, no one at the club (bar a few including Unsworth) seem to be bothered about progressing as a team?

Its like the almost everyone at the club has just suddenly stopped enjoying themselves and rather than having aspirations simply just does their job at the minimum and goes off for a round of golf or whatever they do in their free time.

I could focus on Koeman seeming to treat his position as an emotionless job or query if Moshiri has turned us into more of a corporate business than entertainment...I suppose just mentioning those issues asks questions, though i'm adaptable and open to change. However;

'Are we not a major attraction or exciting anymore'?​

Managers

Here are the approximate annual salary figures of the worlds best paid managers (Ancelotti was on about 9mil at Bayern).

Pep 15mil
Jose 13.8mil
Wenger 8.3mil
Zidane 8mil
Klopp 7mil
Conte 6.5mil
Koeman 6mil
Emery 5.65mil
Poch 5.5mil
Rafael 4.5mil
Simone 4.4mil

Now, I appreciate that we are unlikely to win the title any time soon but surely the money on offer as well as the opportunity to manage in the premier league must be enticing to a heck of a lot of managers?

Ancelotti is unemployed and would be the huge name it seemed Moshiri craved when appointing Koeman.
Tuchel is unemployed and would be seen as a positive and exciting appointment
Nagelsmann could surely be tempted from Hoffenheim if we wanted a super young coach
Jardim at Monaco or others with continental success may be keen
Allardyce may not be everyones choice but he rejected Leicester today and wouldn't comment on us
Fonseca says he wants to manage in our league
Unsworth could be given an opportunity
...the list goes on

Whatever could be said about our club, we pay extremely well and would be an attractive proposition for a heck of a lot of managers.


Structure

Billionaire owner
Reputation for giving managers time
Proud history
Director of football with a strong reputation
Very well publicised conveyor belt for young players
New stadium
Not enormous expectations
Very positive community presence

Personally I feel that we have all the ingredients to progress as a club other than billions to spend...but a manager we could attract would not be one expecting huge money to be splashed around anyway and we have just spent 45mil on a player and pay very good wages so we should be able to entice some good players.


Players

Progressive managers like Poch would be looking at our potential.
GK -Pickford
DF - Kenny / Holgate / Keane
MF - Davies / Vlasic /Dowell / Onyekuru / Lookman
FW - DCL /Sandro

We also have a conveyor belt it seems under Unsworth...this attracts quality young players to the club.

Outsiders would also see the big money signings such as Sigurdsson, Bolassie, Schneiderlin and Klaassen, star names on huge money like Rooney and also solid competitors like Coleman and logically think that the club backs its manager in the transfer market and there is a very good structure to build upon.

Potentially the club and team itself look (on paper) as being potentially extremely exciting at the moment we are not many players off having what would look to be a very exciting squad.


Conclusion

My own opinion when thinking with my head and not my heart is that other than the top 6 and the European powerhouses we are a very attractive proposition for managers and players alike.

Not only this but we have the potential to break into the top 4 over the coming seasons and could be a great opportunity for those managers who have a vision of building a dynasty as long as they show progression and also for those players who want to join part of something which could be exciting and offer a long term home.

If we are so well placed on paper then why do I feel that my expectations aren't being matched or at least a lack of excitement In future potential...it's not only the league position but Moshiri, Koeman, signings, performances...

Its all a bit boring isn't it?

How does everyone feel? To quote Maximus "Are you not entertained"?

you should have included an extreme apathy option, the simple fact is that changing the manager now will not change anything, we will merely be bringing someone else in for "more of the same" i.e. a brief spell of delusional optimism before real life kicks in, another manager who will fail to live up to our fanbases ridiculous aspirations based on the false message broadcast from the very top of our club.
There is no ambition to compete at the very top of English football, any club with serious ambition would not sell their 2 best players in consecutive close seasons (and without injury would probably have sold a third), we are miles behind the real big clubs in English football both financially and aspirationally.
Moshiri unintentionally showed his and the clubs aspiration with his acceptable losses speech the other week, what message does that send out to the players? we all know that Lyon will beat us easily, we all know that Chelsea will smash us next week because that is the benchmark set by the people that lead us from the top.
The only person who constantly sets standards appears to be Unsworth, he at least knows what nil satis nisi optimum means and that is reflected when our young players like Kenny come out with statements like "we are Everton we aren't scared of anyone" lines as he did when asked about the Chelsea tie, like it or not we as a fanbase love that its kind of always been there,some of you will be thinking its fanciful tosh however it's better than "expected defeats".
Moshiri has quite simply ripped the heart out of this club with his appointment of Ronko and to a certain extent Walsh who appears to have recruited random piles of [Poor language removed] without any cohesion, direction, or end game, now he is refusing to act when the likes of Crystal Palace, Leicester have pulled the trigger on their managerial failures, somehow its good enough for Everton.
Apathy is all i feel right now because even a change of manager will not change anything without some clear direction from the top. Mr Moshiri when you are watching the rubbish on offer tomorrow probably from the comfort of your London apartment, look at the amount of empty seats at Goodison and realise that the apathy has set in across the fan base and if you are not bothered about having a proud, passionate team that's fine, just do the honourable thing sack Koeman put Unsworth in charge and [Poor language removed] back to whatever Russian investment organisation you appeared from and while you're at it take Kenwright and Elstone with you.

 

[blulouie]

you should have included an extreme apathy option, the simple fact is that changing the manager now will not change anything, we will merely be bringing someone else in for "more of the same" i.e. a brief spell of delusional optimism before real life kicks in, another manager who will fail to live up to our fanbases ridiculous aspirations based on the false message broadcast from the very top of our club.
There is no ambition to compete at the very top of English football, any club with serious ambition would not sell their 2 best players in consecutive close seasons (and without injury would probably have sold a third), we are miles behind the real big clubs in English football both financially and aspirationally.
Moshiri unintentionally showed his and the clubs aspiration with his acceptable losses speech the other week, what message does that send out to the players? we all know that Lyon will beat us easily, we all know that Chelsea will smash us next week because that is the benchmark set by the people that lead us from the top.
The only person who constantly sets standards appears to be Unsworth, he at least knows what nil satis nisi optimum means and that is reflected when our young players like Kenny come out with statements like "we are Everton we aren't scared of anyone" lines as he did when asked about the Chelsea tie, like it or not we as a fanbase love that its kind of always been there,some of you will be thinking its fanciful tosh however it's better than "expected defeats".
Moshiri has quite simply ripped the heart out of this club with his appointment of Ronko and to a certain extent Walsh who appears to have recruited random piles of [Poor language removed] without any cohesion, direction, or end game, now he is refusing to act when the likes of Crystal Palace, Leicester have pulled the trigger on their managerial failures, somehow its good enough for Everton.
Apathy is all i feel right now because even a change of manager will not change anything without some clear direction from the top. Mr Moshiri when you are watching the rubbish on offer tomorrow probably from the comfort of your London apartment, look at the amount of empty seats at Goodison and realise that the apathy has set in across the fan base and if you are not bothered about having a proud, passionate team that's fine, just do the honourable thing sack Koeman put Unsworth in charge and [Poor language removed] back to whatever Russian investment organisation you appeared from and while you're at it take Kenwright and Elstone with you.

Still bleating about the club selling Stones & Lukaku mate ?
Did you feel the same when we sold Lescott & Arteta ?
All four have something in common.
DID NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR THIS CLUB ANYMORE.

Beat up on the club all you want but the club can only get the best possible deal for the club once ANY player wants to leave.

The days of selling Alan Ball & Duncan Ferguson are well gone mate , and this two love/ loved the club.
Cant say the same about the other 4.

So feel free to vent your apathy on a lot at the club , but turn it in about selling its best players eh.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Bored and numb, past the point of being angry which I think is even worse.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Bored. But mainly sad....

 

[ianefc]