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Bingo. This is what is being proposed, as far as I am aware.

The one thing with being in the military, is that you do get used to taking certain things for granted, one of which is the outstanding medical provision (although your guys are generally better looked after than ours).

It is what is being proposed, but the blinkered folks will tell you that essentially we are going to outlaw private medicine and institute a blanket public system for EVERYONE.

It is all about choice, and right now they only choice we have is to spend money.

A no-[Poor language removed] true story, a guy on my boat (before he joined the navy) had a wood-cutting accident and lopped his thumb off and he didn't have insurance. Due to the fear spread about no insurance, he didn't go to the hopsital, and instead red-necked it up and bandaged it himself. He ended up needing a waiver to join and almost didn't due to it not healing correctly and complication he had.....directly due to the fear mongering that goes into everything.

It all comes down to the media. They tell our people what is good for them and what they need. And the companies with the product tell the media what to pitch....which is why we have a fake pandemic with H1N1 and the order of 300 million vaccines. Someone is making a LOT of money with all of this, and it isn't me.
 
To answer the original question with regards to what we have here in the way of private care, public care, death panels etc..

Pretty much what we've got here in the way of private (medical) healthcare is a BUPA type system, where for a small fee (a la health insurance) you can get non - life threatening procedures done pretty much on demand, and have nice tea and coffee and a private room etc etc.

For the more urgent stuff you go straight to your doc, who'll send you straight to the hospital, who'll do your op pretty much straight away (certainly how it's happened with me and mine, when required).

Afterwards, you might be in a ward with a dozen or so other bods, but you're not there too long if they can help it, so no worries.

Of course if you pay your BUPA subs (other providers are available) you get to recuperate in a nicer room, but the surgery will have been done in an NHS theatre by NHS surgeons.

Not many people die.
 
the proposal of having only the most expensive procedures covered by health insurance with people being 'forced to save' for the rest and the balance coming from redistribution, isn't actually all that different to what we have.

What is National Insurance if it isn't away of forcing people to put a bit to one side to cover for unforseeable medical expenses?
 
i work in the nhs and can confirm that british people get a good deal for the amount of money spent on healthcare. the only problem is that we take it for granted and i suspect in the future it will be crippled by all the fatties we have now who will require dialysis in the future for the renal failure they develop from their diabetes. and don't forget an ageing population. we will definitely miss it when it's gone, i can tell you.
 
i work in the nhs and can confirm that british people get a good deal for the amount of money spent on healthcare. the only problem is that we take it for granted and i suspect in the future it will be crippled by all the fatties we have now who will require dialysis in the future for the renal failure they develop from their diabetes. and don't forget an ageing population. we will definitely miss it when it's gone, i can tell you.

The one crumb in favour of an insured healthcare system is that people could be required to pay a supplement for not keeping themselves in decent condition, but you'll find a distressing correlation between social status / ability to pay and poor physical maintenance.
 
yes, i don't think it's worked for the americans. the most obese nation in the world isn't keeping itself trim to avoid future healthcare costs.
 
I'm really not sure that either Britain or America have this sorted because both are going to be bankrupted by their health systems unless things change, that's simply a demographic fact. Healthcare paid for by taxation is simply not workable in a society where the not-working population is growing massively in relation to the working population. There simply won't be enough tax to go around, regardless of the moral stance taken. The only way forward is to get people paying for their own healthcare as much as humanly possible.

Nailed it. Bartender, a pint for Bruce.
 
Just found this pearl of a story that outlines the problems with privatized health insurance.

Jesus was opposed to people having health care if they couldn’t afford it. That’s why he only helped the wealthy Lepers with their own personally financed medical coverage. It even says so in the bible.
“Whoever here demanded universal healthcare needs to come with me for a guided tour through California”
I took my tour of Los Angeles County Community Hospital. I sat in the waiting room with a crushed hand. I was taken to a room to see a orthopaedic surgeon. Then I was told that the operations I needed would cost me $40,000 out of my own pocket because, as a 22 year old part time college student and part time employee, I could not get my own coverage and my father couldn’t carry me on his. That $40,000 would not even cover my hospital visit or the years of rehab I would need after the surgery. Nor would it cover my anaesthesia for the surgery, or the X-rays before and after. Needless to say I now have a hand without the use of two digits. Luckily it was my left hand and I’m right handed. You can still see where the bone came through the back of my hand. You can also see the two large lumps where the bones have fused into their useless state.
I’ve been told that I can have my hand re-broken and re-set with pins. This procedure would include grinding the hardened mass in the middle of my hand down to reduce the large lumps. The Doctors say I may even regain some use of the digits. However my current insurance will not cover this procedure because the harden mass of useless bone is pre-existing. Since it’s not life threatening it’s considered cosmetic and or elective.
Now I’m living in Florida, with health care insurance through my full time employer. I went through much of the same ordeal with a gallbladder surgery. I have gastroparesis and biliary colic. One can be controlled with a low fiber diet. The other with a high fiber diet. My insurance company stated my gallbladder surgery for the biliary colic was elective because it can be controlled by diet. However that diet directly conflicts with the diet that controls my gastroparesis. So according to my insurance company I should maintian a low/high fiber diet to control both medical problems and take a bunch of pills. I finally found a gastroenterologist that wrote a letter of medical necessity to the insurance company and my surgery was approved. I had my gallbladder removed. It took me five years of hospital visits, 5 years of taking medications that screwed with my digestion and appetite, 5 years of Doctor’s visits, and 6 visits to the emergency room after collapsing from severe dehydration due to vomiting before I could have some relief.
Nah we have no need for health care reform.


And for those who have some time, here is the proposed Health Care Bill that is in the approval process.....


H.R.3962: Affordable Health Care for America Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress


I was bored, so did some research. The Bill is 350,000 words long, so set yourself some time aside to get through it.
 
Any tort reform in there?

Half the problem is the malpractice insurance costs skyrocketing due to lawyers suing anyone and everyone to make a buck.
 
It's not the lawyers, it is the judges that set precedent when they found in favor of the prosecution.

They lawyers are just catering to the demand that we, as a people, have created.

Kinda like drugs, we can't put all the blame on Columbia, we, the users create the market they are catering too. To truely get rid of drugs, we need to stop people using them. Likewise to stop retarded litigation, we need to stop allowing them in court! And that would eventually trickle down to the malpractice suits.
 
Whether the care is paid for by the public or private insurance is not relevant. The question is.... will it cost less if government takes control. Personally, I don't see how it can.

Time and again, the government has proven itself to be terribly inefficient and wasteful. It may seem that healthcare will cost less when the government pays but taxes will have to increase to pay for it. So, in effect, we will be paying higher taxes to “free” healthcare. Back to square one at best, if the government can run as efficiently as private insurance. One could buy their own private insurance with the tax savings.

Some say that the government will drive down the cost of healthcare. But that is not their track record. Government is exceptional at spending other peoples’ money, but not at saving it. Medicare and Medicaid are both programs going broke yet we are now launching ourselves headlong toward another government run program. Shouldn’t we demand that our representative fix the current government health problems (as well as Social Security) before taking on such a complex and crucial issue? I say prove you can fix the smaller issues before creating bigger ones. How can we have confidence that Washington has the answer to this one but can't fix smaller, less complex issues?
 
My significant other is a trauma nurse and we've had this discussion more than I care to count but we've both come to the agreement that if anyone is going to fix what needs to be fixed, it won't be the government...of any country, on any planet.

Government is politics and politics belong nowhere near a hospital bed.
 
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