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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Moyes played Rodwell a lot when he was young, he played Barkley too. If kids are good enough he’ll give them game time, it’s just never as early or as often as his critics want but he’s not often wrong.
Blast_of_Cannock
Player Valuation: £25m
I can't say I'm an expert on the kid, but I watched 5 or 6 Derby games last season. He looked woeful in 1, average in another, but in the others he was the best player on the pitch. He's a baby surrounded by men and didn't look out of place.
So? Are you one of these people that lives on a planet where a young player has to be either the next Rooney or “not good enough lad not even League 1 level lad get rid of him lad”.
Personally I struggle to believe that there is no way he couldn’t have possibly been better than James Garner and Tim last night. That doesn’t make him Rooney.
Tim is 22 and arguably Armstrong was a lot better at derby than he was at QPR in the championship. Plenty of QPR fans were impressed and plenty weren’t. Not seen one derby fan unimpressed with Harrison
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £25m
Yeah, and it's also easy to forget that Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman were once products of the academy with little experience when Moyes took over. Then there's Anichebe and Vaughan (who was handed PL footy at age 16).
Looking at what he got wrong, you're right, there wasn't a lot of players he never used that leave the impression he got it wrong. People will obviously point to Dier and Mustafi but if you look at those two, you can see it still took them a while to get to the levels they did. Mustafi went to Sampdoria and didn't make his debut for 4 months and they were in Serie B at the time. He made one appearance in Serie B, they were promoted and he then waited until November to get his second appearance on the board. Dier went back to Sporting and initially went straight in to their B team it was a couple of months plus before he made his first team debut. What other youngsters were cast aside that went on to achieve anything of note? Obviously we will never know how things would have panned out with Stones, but other than that, the only player I can think of who achieved anything close to being at this level is Jake Bidwell.
Marking this as A Thread Of High Potential.
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Armstrong was also better last night
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
I’m convinced Barkley would have turned out to be a much better player if he’d stayed developing with Moyes rather than Martinez. Yes Martinez unleashed him in 13/14 season and we all saw the natural talent he had but then he regressed into a player that couldn’t nail down a position and seemed overwhelmed with decision making when he had the ball or where to be on the pitch when he didn’t. Moyes would never have let that happen and Barkley might have been an England regular rather than the player he has been. Tom Davies is another one. He might not have been a first team regular as a teenager but he might have still been a PL player if Moyes had got hold of him and could have had a career like Osman had for us. Would Robinson have left if Moyes had been here guiding a pathway for him.
Perhaps we may also have seen better handling of Browning, Galloway, Godfrey, Kenny, Holgate, Dowell, Pennington, Smalling, Simms, Cannon. Whether that meant cutting them off earlier so they never played for us or bringing them through in a different way id put more money on Moyes getting it right than any of our other managers since he left.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
You’re setting up a lot of straw men here. My view on young players is that some are obviously special at a young age (Rooney, Barkley, Rodwell) and clearly have the potential to be England level players with the right application. They are the young players I get excited about. He isn’t in that category at the moment (doesn’t mean he won’t ever be, lots of players develop late). Anyone else I wait for them to show something for the first team against decent opposition before I get remotely excited or have any expectations of them succeeding.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
He wasn’t.Armstrong was also better last night
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £35m
Players who are nailed on to come into the first team. This lad will probably be sent on loan again.
What if he just turns into a solid Premier League squad player for us rather than turn into Rooney or Barkley? Is that an issue?
I think he's pretty similar to Sean Longstaff, which is funny seeing as 90% of us seem to think he's crap
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