Group D: England, Croatia, Scotland, Czech Republic

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Third place gives us the easiest route to the semis. So a nice 2-0 defeat to the Czechs and either of Scotland or Croatia to win should do the trick.

By that time Southgate will have hopefully clicked that his negative tactics aren't working and starts picking our best players, and Kane gets over whatever it is that's making him play like a dog.
Best 3rd would see us face either the Netherlands in Budapest, the Group E winner at Hampden or the Group B winner in Seville

Second would see us face the Group E runner up in Copenhagen while winning the group would land us the Group F runner up at Wembley
 
Best 3rd would see us face either the Netherlands in Budapest, the Group E winner at Hampden or the Group B winner in Seville

Second would see us face the Group E runner up in Copenhagen while winning the group would land us the Group F runner up at Wembley
After last night's rubbish,does it really matter? And what is a Declan Rice.
 
England’s problem is the fact they think they are one of the best teams around. Once they accept they are not the team they and the media talk them up to be then they will be able to play with less pressure and more freedom.
Agree with what you say mate, its the total media thing thats gets to players I think. I really dont think the players think they are world beaters and also a lot of fans I talk to dont. With England its expected that they play well but with Wales and Scotland the fans and media want them to do well and this transfers to the players. btw, you're not on ignore - yet :)
 
Agree with what you say mate, its the total media thing thats gets to players I think. I really dont think the players think they are world beaters and also a lot of fans I talk to dont. With England its expected that they play well but with Wales and Scotland the fans and media want them to do well and this transfers to the players. btw, you're not on ignore - yet :)
But why is it expected ? That’s my point. England have not won a tournament since 66 so where does this unrealistic expectancy come from ? And that’s not a dig by the way, it’s a genuine question.
 
But why is it expected ? That’s my point. England have not won a tournament since 66 so where does this unrealistic expectancy come from ? And that’s not a dig by the way, it’s a genuine question.
Thats the media, wish I had the answer. I know my football enough,as you do, to know that England are, at best, a last eight side at a tournament.
 
But why is it expected ? That’s my point. England have not won a tournament since 66 so where does this unrealistic expectancy come from ? And that’s not a dig by the way, it’s a genuine question.

Look at the England squad, then ask yourself which of the players are the best player at their club. Its a very short list.

Being good in the prem is not a ticket to being the best in Europe, but many dont join those dots up.
 
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