Greek Financial Crisis

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I expect them having borders with Syria, Iran and Iraq is a big reason why they don't want Turkey to join the EU.

And they are currently occupying another member state in the north of Cyprus.

But with people easily getting between Turkey and Syria, I think they are best left out.
 
I expect them having borders with Syria, Iran and Iraq is a big reason why they don't want Turkey to join the EU.
plus they stink, worse than the french so they can get to fook......... only messing one of my mates is a kurd nicest hard working fella's you could meet, got a couple of shops here and property back home in turkey, think he would go back in a heartbeat if his kids hadn't been born here.
 
As taxpaying was a minority sport in Greece they had to borrow money to pay the wages, simples

Taxpaying is an avoided sport amongst the wealthy in this country and west in general, the government had to borrow money, on our behalf, to bail out the very same lenders.

More than simples...
 
Taxpaying is an avoided sport amongst the wealthy in this country and west in general, the government had to borrow money, on our behalf, to bail out the very same lenders.

More than simples...

Plus, I wonder how many who, in this thread, have said "they should pay their taxes" have also quite happily had work done "for cash" in this country.

May well be some double standards in here ...
 
Plus, I wonder how many who, in this thread, have said "they should pay their taxes" have also quite happily had work done "for cash" in this country.

May well be some double standards in here ...
Oh aye. Relatively common practise over here, where tradeys will give you a cash or a credit card price, the cash price being lower as they won't pay our government services tax on it by not declaring it in the books.
 
Labour did not overspend. Tories have done a superb job of making that part of a "factual" narrative for so many.

There is a lack of basic understanding of fiscal and monetary policy in this country. That's why the Tories will get away with sucking demand out of the economy whilst shrinking the state.

Out of interest, and apart from you, is there anyone who does get it?
 
Out of interest, and apart from you, is there anyone who does get it?

Yes. Firstly know who the paymasters are, appease them to remain in power. Secondly, work the system to their advantage. Thirdly convince the public this is the right thing to do, do that by defamation of alternatives. Fourthly, make the public pay for it using sleight of hand policies.

Lastly, make sure that all beneficiaries suppor the methods and promote them.

The intent is important, the methodology isn't, it changes to suit uncontrollables..
 
Yes. Firstly know who the paymasters are, appease them to remain in power. Secondly, work the system to their advantage. Thirdly convince the public this is the right thing to do, do that by defamation of alternatives. Fourthly, make the public pay for it using sleight of hand policies.

Lastly, make sure that all beneficiaries suppor the methods and promote them.

The intent is important, the methodology isn't, it changes to suit uncontrollables..

I appreciate that you have a position/agenda but I'm not sure that that has answered my question.
 
I appreciate that you have a position/agenda but I'm not sure that that has answered my question.

Then you're looking at semantics. The question is cui bono?

The ability to create theoretical value on non existant monetary issue, the use of debt as tender, follows on from the system devised by the Chicago boys to create fiscal benefit for the few from the misfortune, tethering and binding of those unable to generate sufficient capital to compete.

Fractional reserve lending causes perpetual debt, the inability to repay, and the projected, theoretical, interest incomes support the future returns, a major gamble as in the Greek situation. Once a default occurs the domino effect kicks in having an affect on what is portrayed as unconnected situations on the face, but in reality the selling of debts becomes a de facto ponzi scheme.

Semantics. The intent is vastly more important.

Oh, and no agenda thank you. Opinion yes, informed opinion.
 
Then you're looking at semantics. The question is cui bono?

The ability to create theoretical value on non existant monetary issue, the use of debt as tender, follows on from the system devised by the Chicago boys to create fiscal benefit for the few from the misfortune, tethering and binding of those unable to generate sufficient capital to compete.

Fractional reserve lending causes perpetual debt, the inability to repay, and the projected, theoretical, interest incomes support the future returns, a major gamble as in the Greek situation. Once a default occurs the domino effect kicks in having an affect on what is portrayed as unconnected situations on the face, but in reality the selling of debts becomes a de facto ponzi scheme.

Semantics. The intent is vastly more important.

Oh, and no agenda thank you. Opinion yes, informed opinion.
A very well written post but if I can restate my question (which I asked of TomDixie) then it was - Out of interest, and apart from you, is there anyone who does get it?
 
I read somewhere else that Greece apparently has the largest defence budget in Europe as a % of GDP and that cutting it by 0.5% would cover about half what they owe. The thing is, they buy most of their arms from Germany and France, and it would put a noticeable dent in their weapon exports so they won't have it. Anyone confirm this?
 
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