GOT Fitness LOG

[steken1]

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Know what Lee. Most would say what I initially said. But I've always told people to trust their body and follow what they feel works. If it's got you working there must be something to it, even if it's only a placebo, the state of mind it's put you in is worth the dosh!

I'll have a look proper next time I'm out!

 

[evilwebby]

I think the loading phase is over-sold a little in my experience.

I'm around 90kg and drop to about 83kg when I start training proper. Creatine works for me. I tend to get 3-4g 3x a day for four days. That's enough for me to load and really feel the benefits. Any more is wasted I've found. I'll maintain that on 3-4g a day for 8-10 weeks no problem.

If you're sensitive to it it's well worth doing IMO.

At the point you're at training wise I wouldn't consider BMI or BF% as a barometer of anything. I'd go purely from your performance and how you feel. It's a good position to be in as you can experiment with the diet and find the optimum for you, performance wise.

Cheers. I guess starting with a low dose and gradually nudge it up while keeping a close eye on the scales is probably a prudent approach. I'm not normally so neurotic about weight, but the race is going to involve over 10,000ft of climbing, so improving my power/weight ratio is very important.

 

[SerenityNigh]

depends how you want to go about it.

I went the peptide route ... 6'2", 220 lbs, bf @ 4% from same weight and bf @ 19%. Cleaned up my diet a lot initially and (not be design) now I can drink and eat what I like.

the peptide guru is "Dat B True" ... honestly.

Never have dieted myself. I like healthy food, but I like unhealthy food as well. Exercise was always a good game, but I'm not so much into it anymore. Back to your comments--what's the peptide diet. Interested to hear about it, even though I'm unlikely to try it. A quick search gave me articles on Crohn's Disease, so I suspect I'm looking in the wrong place.

 

[steken1]

Cheers. I guess starting with a low dose and gradually nudge it up while keeping a close eye on the scales is probably a prudent approach. I'm not normally so neurotic about weight, but the race is going to involve over 10,000ft of climbing, so improving my power/weight ratio is very important.

I can undertstand that. Be a bit of trial and error involved in finding the best weight for you performance wise to maximise the ratio. It's been interesting to me to read about your progress though, especially the low carb stuff.

 

[chicoazul]

Know what Lee. Most would say what I initially said. But I've always told people to trust their body and follow what they feel works. If it's got you working there must be something to it, even if it's only a placebo, the state of mind it's put you in is worth the dosh!

I'll have a look proper next time I'm out!

95% of people doing bugle back home is getting nothing but placebo effect too.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've been a bit of a gym nut for almost the last 12 months. Have always taken multi-vitamins and whey protein etc.... even had a mess around with creatine at one point towards the end of last year. But i highly recommend this product:

Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men Multi-Vitamins. Easily the best multi vitamin out there in my opinion. Of course these products, as with every product, isn't the best for everyone but i would recommend any gym enthusiast to give these a try. Unbelievable amounts of energy. The product instructions have you taking this 3 times daily but this is not needed at all. Its so potent that one tablet a day is more than enough.

One time i experimented and took one in the morning before breakfast and another before my evening meal and whilst my workout that evening was excellent, i could hardly sleep and felt the need to get out of bed and hit the bench press ! Insane.... Like with any product, do your research and don't just take my words for it, but i highly recommend anyone to at least look into this product.

Even Viagra has nothing on this........ Have a look lads ( i say lads because this product is for men ONLY )[/QUOTE
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http://m.kidshealth.org/kid/stay_healthy/food/vitamin.html

might be handy. A normal diet makes most supplements a waste of money

 

[chicoazul]

I'm a black cup of coffee before the gym guy for the next few months.

 

[LeeRab]

Know what Lee. Most would say what I initially said. But I've always told people to trust their body and follow what they feel works. If it's got you working there must be something to it, even if it's only a placebo, the state of mind it's put you in is worth the dosh!

I'll have a look proper next time I'm out!

Very true. Obviously this isn't for everyone and to each their own. Thought I'd throw it out there. I'm always looking for advice, info and supplements to help improve and build what I've done so far.

Some great guys in this thread with great posts and advice.

Evilwebby, yourself, bruce, maddison to name a few. Like I say not for everyone, but I'm feeling great on my workouts.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Very true. Obviously this isn't for everyone and to each their own. Thought I'd throw it out there. I'm always looking for advice, info and supplements to help improve and build what I've done so far.

Some great guys in this thread with great posts and advice.

Evilwebby, yourself, bruce, maddison to name a few. Like I say not for everyone, but I'm feeling great on my workouts.

Did my last post on the phone so it was probably all a bit wrong, but nutrition doesn't tend to be additive in the sense that the more you have, the better it is. With carbs, if you have more than you need it becomes fat, with proteins and vitamins, you end up peeing out the excess.

A good start point is to figure out how much you actually need. For weight training for instance, I think 2-3g of protein per kg of bodyweight is a decent benchmark. With vitamins, the box tells you the recommended amount.

Once you have that baseline, you can then look at your regular diet and see how much of what you need you provide already via your diet. Now personally speaking, if I was short, I'd try and boost things up with normal food, but the point is that many people often end up consuming far more than they need and end up wasting money as a result.

I mean a serving of protein powder typically has as much protein as a single chicken breast.

 

[thirdmantackle]

Vitamins generally are a waste of money.
Most people on a good diet don't need them. (and they are usually the people who buy them)

However, fish oil is definitely worth it.

 

[evilwebby]

I'm definitely coming more around to the idea of supplements.
While I tend to agree that you should be able to get by just fine on whatever you have in your regular diet, the fact is that its very difficult and expensive to source naturally-grown food, and usually we have no choice other than to accept the mass-produced goods that tend to be more deficient in nutrients than they should be. Agree fish oil should be high on the list for most people.

I think I may have mentioned before in this thread but worth repeating what I consider "super-foods" - basically I don't think you can get enough of these:

Liver
Coconut oil
Eggs
Avocadoes

I've been doing some more home-made stuff lately. Last week I made my own peanut butter - dead easy - simply blend peanuts and add some oil (I use groundnut oil) until you get a nice consistency. Also made chicken liver pate the other night - just fry up some onion & garlic, cook with the liver, then chuck it in the blender and mix with some butter and cream to smooth it out - Absolutely delicious! Making your own stuff you can make several times as much for the same price as buying it pre-made.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The missus and I probably spend around £50-60 a week on food, and it's all natural stuff. We tend to use recipes from this

Cook in bulk and pop a few portions in the freezer so they can be heated up after a hard training session or something. For protein fiends out there, I reckon I've probably eaten around 80g of the stuff today already, with evening meal to come, which is likely to take it well over 100g. That's more than enough for someone my size (~57kg) and all from good, natural food, without any real attempt to go for high protein meals.

 

[LeeRab]

I'm definitely coming more around to the idea of supplements.
While I tend to agree that you should be able to get by just fine on whatever you have in your regular diet, the fact is that its very difficult and expensive to source naturally-grown food, and usually we have no choice other than to accept the mass-produced goods that tend to be more deficient in nutrients than they should be. Agree fish oil should be high on the list for most people.

I think I may have mentioned before in this thread but worth repeating what I consider "super-foods" - basically I don't think you can get enough of these:

Liver
Coconut oil
Eggs
Avocadoes

I've been doing some more home-made stuff lately. Last week I made my own peanut butter - dead easy - simply blend peanuts and add some oil (I use groundnut oil) until you get a nice consistency. Also made chicken liver pate the other night - just fry up some onion & garlic, cook with the liver, then chuck it in the blender and mix with some butter and cream to smooth it out - Absolutely delicious! Making your own stuff you can make several times as much for the same price as buying it pre-made.

Been eating 3 spoonfuls of this a day for the last 3 months. A bought a huge tub of Amazon. Organic Coconut oil...... Just eating it straight out of the tub with a spoon. Sometimes i mix it into my Oatmeal in the morning. After doing some research, i found that this actually helps break down fat cells. All these little things that i've added to my daily routine ( a few others also ) has really helped and now im beginning to really see great results, in my fitness and health but also my appearance.

Nice post mate

 

[LeeRab]

The missus and I probably spend around £50-60 a week on food, and it's all natural stuff. We tend to use recipes from this

Cook in bulk and pop a few portions in the freezer so they can be heated up after a hard training session or something. For protein fiends out there, I reckon I've probably eaten around 80g of the stuff today already, with evening meal to come, which is likely to take it well over 100g. That's more than enough for someone my size (~57kg) and all from good, natural food, without any real attempt to go for high protein meals.

Spot on this.

Eating healthy and keeping it going day in and day out at times can be time consuming. How many times do you see and hear of people rushing around unprepared and just settling for a quick fix, junk food basically. Sometimes after a gruelling day, the last thing most people want to do, is to go home and start stressing about what foods to knock together. Especially those people with kids and family where its sometimes impossible to please everyone.

Maintaining a healthy diet is all about preparation i believe and so cooking in bulk is not only less stressful but much more convenient further in the week, for those days when you truly can't be bothered. I'm one of those guys now where i know what im going to eat 2 days in advance.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Works out a bit cheaper too if you buy/cook in bulk and freeze left over portions for later. Do that on your 'off' days and you don't have to worry so much about food on your training days.