Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I think it's important to note that unjust killings by governmental actors are particularly egregious, and I have no qualms with BLM telling us that black on black or black on white crime is irrelevant there. They're right.

That said, this stuff becomes relevant to talk about when people aren't truthful. Black Americans going about their business are not commonly gunned down by police in this country. People will say such things, but they're just not. The overwhelming majority of people killed by police in America...deserved it. Black people in America are not regularly subject to violence by white people, either. Statistically, that claimed threat is backwards. These are truths that can be acknowledged without undermining other truths.

This is a wholly disgusting comment

 

[Pettifogger]

This is a wholly disgusting comment

Sorry I offended you with the controversial take that criminals taking/endangering lives deserve it when they get killed.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Sorry I offended you with the controversial take that criminals taking/endangering lives deserve it when they get killed.

You're not sorry though

And I'm not offended. It's just a disgusting comment, with some biblical notion of eye for an eye that we know doesn't solve anything

 

[Pettifogger]

You're not sorry though

And I'm not offended. It's just a disgusting comment, with some biblical notion of eye for an eye that we know doesn't solve anything

No, I'm not sorry. I'm mocking an absurd and stupid response.

You also appear to be mischaracterizing what I said (not unusual). Eye for an eye suggests retribution. The huge majority of police killings are to stop an active threat, often to the lives of police officers themselves. To clarify - you find it "disgusting" to suggest that people who are endangering the lives of innocents or police officers deserve to be killed. Obviously we're on different planets.

 

[Prevenger17]

Sorry I offended you with the controversial take that criminals taking/endangering lives deserve it when they get killed.

Lol. Do you want more salt on that boot?

 

[Pettifogger]

Lol. Do you want more salt on that boot?

A bootlicking insult from someone who believes government is the answer to all ills

I genuinely LOL'd

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

No, I'm not sorry. I'm mocking an absurd and stupid response.

You also appear to be mischaracterizing what I said (not unusual). Eye for an eye suggests retribution. The huge majority of police killings are to stop an active threat, often to the lives of police officers themselves. To clarify - you find it "disgusting" to suggest that people who are endangering the lives of innocents or police officers deserve to be killed. Obviously we're on different planets.

You say huge majority

So that means that you agree that there are those in the minority of cases where the killings weren't justified

What's the right "minority" of cases where killings that aren't justified that we can live with? 5%? 10%?

These aren't statistics, but REAL people killed when they "shouldn't" have been.

What then?

It's like saying incarcerating people falsely is justified b/c "well, at least if we get most of the criminals jailed correctly, it justifies those we get wrong". b/c who cares about them

it's disgusting

 

[Pettifogger]

You say huge majority

So that means that you agree that there are those in the minority of cases where the killings weren't justified

What's the right "minority" of cases where killings that aren't justified that we can live with? 5%? 10%?

These aren't statistics, but REAL people killed when they "shouldn't" have been.

What then?

It's like saying incarcerating people falsely is justified b/c "well, at least if we get most of the criminals jailed correctly, it justifies those we get wrong". b/c who cares about them

it's disgusting

Allow me to summarize this ridiculousness

Me: The majority of killings are justified
You: You're disgusting!
Me: That's silly
You: So you you agree some killings are unjustified. *proceed to completely ignore what you just wrote* You're disgusting!

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Allow me to summarize this ridiculousness

Me: The majority of killings are justified
You: You're disgusting!
Me: That's silly
You: So you you agree some killings are unjustified. *proceed to completely ignore what you just wrote* You're disgusting!

Did you or did you not justify killings by saying "the overall majority are justified"

It implies you recognize that some aren't. And that you're fine with that

 

[Prevenger17]

A bootlicking insult from someone who believes government is the answer to all ills

For a man who accuses others of strawman arguments, you're fairly prolific with them. Anyway, don't let me me disturb you from your delicious boot. Bon apetit

 

[Prevenger17]

Maybe he found out he had bone spurs

 

[DrEFC]

Which is why we have Brexit.

Let the idiots spout their rhetoric and destroy it with facts - dont shout them down, make them martyrs for "freedom of speech" and become popular with the blue collar masses which is whats happened in the UK ever since Brown called that arl woman a bigot instead of educating her the facts on immigration and talking through her concerns on the subject.

All about education.

How do you do that? Education on facts when millions were poured into various companies to illegally rig that Brexit vote. Actually found guilty but nothing happened. Facebook ads tailored to instigating hatred and fear. Newspapers displaying anti-immigrant rhetoric unchecked. A whole political party (UKIP) designed only to attract the working classes and prey on their fears, then disappears with their 'MPs' all becoming Conservative MPs. Job done. Jesus, how many times were Farage et al, on question time. Allowed to spew their rhetoric.
Education is nigh on impossible when the message isn't allowed to be mainstream. When giving a sh*t about your fellow man, is caricatured as 'woke' and is laughed at. When an opposition leader or their supporters are constantly painted as commie, antisemitic scum. Subtle imaging on BBC of him in front of the Kremlin, his hat edited to look Russian.
You can't fight against a system like that with words that can't be heard. Trump stating antifa is a terrorist org without evidence, with no linked deaths- but let's Proud boys ect roam without consequences (also seen trying to dress like "antifa" to instigate trouble), doesn't nail groups chanting Jews will not replace us, or mowing down Heather Myer the other year speaks volumes.
The world isn't terrible, but some terrible people are in charge.

 

[Pettifogger]

Did you or did you not justify killings by saying "the overall majority are justified"

It implies you recognize that some aren't. And that you're fine with that

In what universe does it imply I'm "fine with that"? I'm not, and put simply, it's bullshit and you know it is. It's just an easy way for you to score a cheap pejorative jab at someone who doesn't think like you do.

The truth matters. The truth is that most are justified, which means the dumb proclamations about police murdering people with regularity likely isn't true.

Once again, one can acknowledge the truth about one thing without taking away from another truth.

 

[Pettifogger]

For a man who accuses others of strawman arguments, you're fairly prolific with them. Anyway, don't let me me disturb you from your delicious boot. Bon apetit

Today I learned Prevenger doesn't know what a strawman argument is.

 

[DrEFC]

The rioters aren't "demonstrating", they are opportunist theives, Simple as that.

Anyone who has been to the U.S.A knows that anyone with a badge and any hint of authority in that country, go on an ego trip to outer-space. From the fat security guard who failed cop school, to airport security, to police sergeants.

The guy killed by a cop is the victim of bad police. Not racism.

76% of people killed by cops in the United States are none-black and every ethnic group in the USA are victims of police brutality.

Why didn't the 17 year old unarmed white kid who flashed down a cop, then proceeded to get murdered by said cop. Get shown all over American media?
Why did this particular guy who commited a crime and resisted arrest and then proceeded to get basically suffocated which triggered cardiac arrest by a cop get shown all over American media?

One fits in a narrative, while the other one does not.

There is a huge problem in America of cops killing people full stop.

I guarantee you're the type of person to say "I see no colour" when it comes to your interpretation of events.