Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Nymzee]

tasers can only fire their projectile once, but most of them can still be used (but they have to be brought into contact with the person)

I mean sure but that part isn't really relevant in the footage is it haha.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Oh yeh wasn't comparing it to Floyd at all just seen a few peeps on the web try say the cop did the protocol thing which baffled me. Maybe he only resisted arrest the way he did because of the Floyd stuff though?

I think that might be a reason honestly. I mean I’m not the biggest fan of cops don’t get me wrong. And if he felt that way, it’s a shame because he didn’t need to die.

But I have seen black people resist arrest for the silliest reasons as well. They have black parents who tell their children to resist arrest regardless of the situation (in some scenarios resist a simple warning). I don’t think it helps raising your kids to hate and fear things that way. It adds to the tension rather than easing it.

 

[tsubaki]

I mean sure but that part isn't really relevant in the footage is it haha.

no, but if the cop catches him it will be

 

[Osamabindiesel]

I've got a separate issue with that as well. People have been arrested for falling asleep in their car because they felt they were too drunk to drive. It's beyond ridiculous that driving whilst intoxicated is the ONLY thing that people say "well...he COULD do it so we arrested him". Not that there was intent or even an attempt to.

It’s a touchy issue for a lot of people, but I agree to an extent. For me, if you are drunk, do not under any circumstances sit in the drivers seat. Fall asleep in the passenger or backseat. If he was caught drunk driving prior to entering Wendy’s, then they have every right to make the arrest. If he just dozed off drunk in the parking lot, I agree that he should have been treated less harshly

 

[riddick]

It’s a touchy issue for a lot of people, but I agree to an extent. For me, if you are drunk, do not under any circumstances sit in the drivers seat. Fall asleep in the passenger or backseat. If he was caught drunk driving prior to entering Wendy’s, then they have every right to make the arrest. If he just dozed off drunk in the parking lot, I agree that he should have been treated less harshly

Even if you are in the passenger or back seat you can STILL be arrested and charged with DWI. It's madness how they can just assume "well theres no way they WOULDN'T drive home drunk" and the courts are ok with that.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Even if you are in the passenger or back seat you can STILL be arrested and charged with DWI. It's madness how they can just assume "well theres no way they WOULDN'T drive home drunk" and the courts are ok with that.

This is one of the reasons I suggested police have some community training in situations like this. There is no reason why they cannot simply take the guys keys and drive him home, let him sober up. Let him pick up his vehicle the next day.

Hell, let him sleep at the station or in the back seat of the police car. I’ve seen stuff like this deescelate situations like this.

The only question I have is whether he drove there drunk or not to begin with.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

People in the States take drunk driving VERY seriously.

Depends on the area I imagine. In the UK you will generally not get served if you are driving even in the country pubs. I remember being in a bar in Montana and everyone was driving. The bar staff were even joking ‘one more for the ditch’

 

[Harryflashman]

This is one of the reasons I suggested police have some community training in situations like this. There is no reason why they cannot simply take the guys keys and drive him home, let him sober up. Let him pick up his vehicle the next day.

Hell, let him sleep at the station or in the back seat of the police car. I’ve seen stuff like this deescelate situations like this.

The only question I have is whether he drove there drunk or not to begin with.

well you want the police to put a drunk into a vehicle where he isn’t insured , you still have the issue of him wanting or not wanting to go ? Do you take his keys off him by force , put him in the car by force ? The interaction I’d imagine still starts with them turning up and treating it like any other so potential ready to draw their firearms then explain to a drunk what’s happening and making sure he understands . What if he dies on the way is he in custody or not in custody ? So you take a police car off the road for the night so a drunk can sleep in it and hope you don’t need it or does he go out on calls ? Where does he sleep at the police station, in A cell Or in the foyer so what if he leaves and has spare keys , gets knocked over or punches someone ?

it sounds like a great idea in theory but I think the execution would be difficult .

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Osamabindiesel]

well you want the police to put a drunk into a vehicle where he isn’t insured , you still have the issue of him wanting or not wanting to go ? Do you take his keys off him by force , put him in the car by force ? The interaction I’d imagine still starts with them turning up and treating it like any other so potential ready to draw their firearms then explain to a drunk what’s happening and making sure he understands . What if he dies on the way is he in custody or not in custody ? So you take a police car off the road for the night so a drunk can sleep in it and hope you don’t need it or does he go out on calls ? Where does he sleep at the police station, in A cell Or in the foyer so what if he leaves and has spare keys , gets knocked over or punches someone ?

it sounds like a great idea in theory but I think the execution would be difficult .

Every method will have its drawbacks but I’ve seen it more often than not work out fine. It’s better than the alternative

 

[sdk]

But I have seen black people resist arrest for the silliest reasons as well. They have black parents who tell their children to resist arrest regardless of the situation (in some scenarios resist a simple warning). I don’t think it helps raising your kids to hate and fear things that way. It adds to the tension rather than easing it.

How have you come by this fanciful notion? It's common for black parents to tell their kids to be very very very careful and courteous around cops or they might get killed, which is pretty much the opposite of advising their kids to always resist arrest.

Raising your kids to fear police makes good sense in such circumstances.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

How have you come by this fanciful notion? It's common for black parents to tell their kids to be very very very careful and courteous around cops or they might get killed, which is pretty much the opposite of advising their kids to always resist arrest.

Raising your kids to fear police makes good sense in such circumstances.

There’s a big difference between telling your children to fear authority and be courteous than to resist no matter what. And you are kidding yourself if you don’t believe the latter doesn’t exist. And yes it is very common. I’m not trying to be divisive or offend.

 

[sdk]

There’s a big difference between telling your children to fear authority and be courteous than to resist no matter what. And you are kidding yourself if you don’t believe the latter doesn’t exist. And yes it is very common. I’m not trying to be divisive or offend.

This is all news to me. Are you speaking of the UK specifically? Because in the American context I can't see why an African American parent would tell their kid to resist the police at all costs when it's so easy for a black kid to be killed by a cop without resisting at all.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

This is all news to me. Are you speaking of the UK specifically? Because in the American context I can't see why an African American parent would tell their kid to resist the police at all costs when it's so easy for a black kid to be killed by a cop without resisting at all.

Speaking of America. I think the biggest problem is this huge disconnect that exists between law and the people. Both sides are constantly on edge because let’s face it- it can mean life or death. One false step and either party can pay the price.

This is why police reform is necessary. Not because most cops are bad, but we need to find a way to ease the tensions between law and the community. As long as they are both on edge, people will continue to die needlessly.

 

[Blueclouds]

Speaking of America. I think the biggest problem is this huge disconnect that exists between law and the people. Both sides are constantly on edge because let’s face it- it can mean life or death. One false step and either party can pay the price.

This is why police reform is necessary. Not because most cops are bad, but we need to find a way to ease the tensions between law and the community. As long as they are both on edge, people will continue to die needlessly.

Guns is the issue but they won't give them up.