Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

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[kenada_blue]

So your take away from this is that the UK is copying the US and that's not cool.
How did you copy the US on school shootings out of curiosity? Put armed cops in classrooms?
Racist police brutality is not just a US problem. I know that's uncomfortable for some but these protests are well past due for others.

Not at all.

Its the issue of it taking events from an another country to make people take notice of its own countries problems.

The cultural significance of the US in this country is profound that you'll hear more about huge events/problems in the US or even US History (mainly due to it being relatively early compared to ours) than our own.

I'm pretty sure if you grabbed half of those protestors in the UK and asked them about the Brixton or Toxteth riots (both race and socially cultural relevant riots in the UK) they'd have no idea.

On one hand it should open peoples eyes to issues. But on the other hand I can understand how people can see it just being this months "flavour of the month" rather than something relative

 

[kenada_blue]

Dont think he is saying that at all mate.

Think he means that a high profile racist/police incident in the US has opened the eyes of folk in the UK that we aint as great, race wise, as perhaps many thought we were.

Its different, as in not ingrained, but it is here. The difference maybe is that the UK acknowledge that, and find ways to improve.

Exactly.

And there are blatant issues in this country that didn't get anywhere near as much attention compared to this murder in another country.

 

[Ruairi77]

Not at all.

Its the issue of it taking events from an another country to make people take notice of its own countries problems.

The cultural significance of the US in this country is profound that you'll hear more about huge events/problems in the US or even US History (mainly due to it being relatively early compared to ours) than our own.

I'm pretty sure if you grabbed half of those protestors in the UK and asked them about the Brixton or Toxteth riots (both race and socially cultural relevant riots in the UK) they'd have no idea.

On one hand it should open peoples eyes to issues. But on the other hand I can understand how people can see it just being this months "flavour of the month" rather than something relative

yup, fair enough.
The world is smaller now and these things have a habit of spreading.
I wouldn't be too quick to write off the intentions of the protestors tho. Yea, a large part might be the 'any excuse' types.
but you can bet your arse there were a fair few at the Brixton riots just to smash things up.
Like I say, I don't live in the UK but now that it's happening, I hope there is some awareness raised. Even if it's to embarrass the US in to acting (not likely with the flower pot we have in charge)

 

[Ruairi77]

Exactly.

And there are blatant issues in this country that didn't get anywhere near as much attention compared to this murder in another country.

And that's terrible but the point should be that awareness is being raised.

 

[Death]

Oh ffs. So awful shirts are a sign now?

His treatment of Niasse

“But OK”

and....

Has the penny dropped?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Oh ffs. So awful shirts are a sign now?

Viewing the new kits thread with renewed suspicion...

 

[kenada_blue]

And that's terrible but the point should be that awareness is being raised.

Which is a good thing.

But what it can't do it represent the exact same issue/repercussions as in the states, giving fuel for kids to focus on issues that don't necessarily relate to our society to that extent.

For example...the whole "[Poor language removed] the police" mentality maybe whats right to get the message across in the US but over here where budgets and numbers have been halved, help and co-operation (especially in relation to knife crime and what youth workers really want) is a different take on a similar problem . Hopefully that's not missed.

As with anything that sheds light on something, you look, educate, and respond to what needs to help.

 

[RAFUH]

replaced by xenophobia probably.

A slightly more PC version of racism

 

[malfosse]

I think it's important to note that unjust killings by governmental actors are particularly egregious, and I have no qualms with BLM telling us that black on black or black on white crime is irrelevant there. They're right.

That said, this stuff becomes relevant to talk about when people aren't truthful. Black Americans going about their business are not commonly gunned down by police in this country. People will say such things, but they're just not. The overwhelming majority of people killed by police in America...deserved it. Black people in America are not regularly subject to violence by white people, either. Statistically, that claimed threat is backwards. These are truths that can be acknowledged without undermining other truths.

When were the police force entrusted to be judge jury and executioner?

 

[RAFUH]

Charge being bumped up to 2nd degree murder with aiding and abetting of same for the other 3 officers

 

[RAFUH]

When were the police force entrusted to be judge jury and executioner?

Good catch @malfosse
Not sure how I missed that.

 

[malfosse]

Good catch @malfosse
Not sure how I missed that.

Happy to oblige.

 

[RAFUH]

When national crises collide

 

[Toffee in Jandals]

Just a random thought. Given that quite a few companies in Germany have paid reparations in one form or another for benefiting from slave labor during World War two, can you imagine the monetary value involved if old American companies, and well-established white American families, had to pay reparations to the descendants of former slaves for benefiting from slave labor in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries?

It would bankrupt much of the United States, of that I'm sure. The US is the wealthiest country in the world not due to "US ingenuity", but because the country has been built on the rape of native Americans and the kidnapping of millions of people to be used as slaves from Africa. Thinking about all that, I can completely understand the anger and frustration of African-Americans, even before we start on the racial bias at most levels of present-day American society.