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Then its an infinitely preferable scenario to him serving 20yrs and is finding out he was lying and/or wrong.

This isn’t a criminal trial, Kavanaugh doesn’t have a human or civil right to a seat on the Supreme Court. It’s a job interview.

If in the process of your next job interview you were accused of sexual assault and then lied when asked about the incident (and lied about other issues) - do you think you’d get the job?

People don’t get jobs all the time and sometimes it’s fair and sometimes it’s isnt , how you react to questions asked during an interview even if you don’t like them though is hugely relevant.

Kavanaugh would still have a fantastic standard of living with a great job , if the decision went against him he’s not stood in the dock facing 20 years . It’s completely false equivalency.
 
Then its an infinitely preferable scenario to him serving 20yrs and is finding out he was lying and/or wrong.

This isn’t a criminal trial, Kavanaugh doesn’t have a human or civil right to a seat on the Supreme Court. It’s a job interview.

If in the process of your next job interview you were accused of sexual assault and then lied when asked about the incident (and lied about other issues) - do you think you’d get the job?

in the same way many women see themselves in Ford, men of @mezzrow's generation and upbringing see themselves in Kavanaugh. it's identity politics gone mad! (though of course, it's only "identity politics" when people who don't look or sound like Jordan Peterson play the game...)

they see it as an attack on their own core presumptions of competence - never mind that they, like Kavanaugh, came of age at a time when competing against the competence of anyone who didn't look or sound like Jordan Peterson was precluded by custom if not the state from the very outset.

while they throw around millennial terms like "gaslighting" to show how clever they are, they nonetheless accept on faith alone that Kavanaugh IS even competent - though they've never read a word he's written, and have formed their impressions of him entirely based on Federalist Society dark money repeating the assertion enough that it starts to seem real (in other words, on right-wing gaslighting).

Kavanaugh is a partisan functionary whose only previous claims to competence were serving the worst elected government anywhere in the West since World War 2, and helping Ken Starr invent the very process now being deployed against him (if you want to be cynical about it). He was unfit for public service from the beginning, even setting aside his recent shameless perjury.
 
Okay, then. Our difference is that you describe his response as "extreme partisan behavio(u)r." I describe it as the honest response of a man responding to lies, slander, and a well plotted conspiracy.
This is the bit I don’t get.

I mean I can understand having conservative leanings. That’s fine.

But in this day and age - when SO MANY powerful and/or privileged men have been found to have committed acts the likes of which Kavanaugh has been accused of - it’s just bizarre to be so completely comfortable and certain in the belief that this is all made up.

For one thing, the whole “it’s a conspiracy” idea just doesn’t line up with known facts. She first highlighted her accusations against Kavanaugh BEFORE HE WAS NOMINATED, when he was just one of many names on a shortlist.

For another, the idea that this women would upend (potentially irrevocably) her and her family’s life to falsely accuse someone who in all likelihood would get confirmed anyway is just beyond the realms of likelihood

And for a third, Democrats didn’t do anything like this (indeed actually supplied confirmation votes) for Gorsuch to fill a seat that D’s were WAY more ****ed off about, with the seat having been stolen from Obama by McConnell.


Moving on from the conspiracy angle - it’s pretty well established now that Kavanaugh was part of a hard-drinking culture at Georgetown Prep, and that the school also had shall we say an “issue” with some of the sexual goings on in and around it. Is it really SO unbelievable that these two could have combined together and led to a circumstance where a young, privileged guy could have stepped way over the line, once or a number of times? Or even that he could have done so while so inebriated that he didn’t remember what he had done the next day?

And that is even putting aside the lying under oath. Now I get the idea of having SOME sympathy with that “oh he’s under attack and defending himself” - surely someone who wants to serve on the highest court doesn’t get that option (as Ben Wittes said).
 
This is the bit I don’t get.

I mean I can understand having conservative leanings. That’s fine.

But in this day and age - when SO MANY powerful and/or privileged men have been found to have committed acts the likes of which Kavanaugh has been accused of - it’s just bizarre to be so completely comfortable and certain in the belief that this is all made up.

For one thing, the whole “it’s a conspiracy” idea just doesn’t line up with known facts. She first highlighted her accusations against Kavanaugh BEFORE HE WAS NOMINATED, when he was just one of many names on a shortlist.

For another, the idea that this women would upend (potentially irrevocably) her and her family’s life to falsely accuse someone who in all likelihood would get confirmed anyway is just beyond the realms of likelihood

And for a third, Democrats didn’t do anything like this (indeed actually supplied confirmation votes) for Gorsuch to fill a seat that D’s were WAY more ****ed off about, with the seat having been stolen from Obama by McConnell.


Moving on from the conspiracy angle - it’s pretty well established now that Kavanaugh was part of a hard-drinking culture at Georgetown Prep, and that the school also had shall we say an “issue” with some of the sexual goings on in and around it. Is it really SO unbelievable that these two could have combined together and led to a circumstance where a young, privileged guy could have stepped way over the line, once or a number of times? Or even that he could have done so while so inebriated that he didn’t remember what he had done the next day?

And that is even putting aside the lying under oath. Now I get the idea of having SOME sympathy with that “oh he’s under attack and defending himself” - surely someone who wants to serve on the highest court doesn’t get that option (as Ben Wittes said).
This 100%
 
Okay, then. Our difference is that you describe his response as "extreme partisan behavio(u)r." I describe it as the honest response of a man responding to lies, slander, and a well plotted conspiracy. I believe Kavanaugh. Live with that.

You have to live with that, not me. Ever heard of parsimony? Let's see, it is a vast conspiracy by the Democrats probably also involving the Illuminati and Freemasons (you know, for good measure) or it is yet another drunk white male privileged idiot assaulting a woman. There are literally hundreds of thousands of cases of the latter, which speaks to an increased likelihood that Kavanaugh fits into this category. OR Freemasons, DERP!

By the way, if you have a wife and/or daughter or close female friend, ask them to honestly tell you all the times they have been harassed or worse? They will not want to tell you (to protect your feelings) but their experiences might shed a little light on your opinion of "lies, slander, and well-plotted conspiracy." And if your wife/daughter/friend elects to say, "I don't feel like talking about this" or "let's not worry about this" or any other deflective response, you might wonder if your belief in "lies, slander, and a well-plotted conspiracy" is perhaps stifling their ability to open up to you. There is a pandemic of horrible behavior towards women by men. OR illuminati...DERP!
 
i think republicans are screwed either way here, nominate him and there will be backlash...dont nominate him and it will look they have 'lost' and a poor pick to begin with
 
CNN only really got the rep for being fake news since Trump took over whereas Fox News has for decades been famous worldwide for being the worst news channel on the planet when it comes to factual reporting. Don’t get me wrong, CNN is still gash like just about every American news channel but they’d need to get a lot worse and maintain that low standard for decades before they can even be mentioned in the same category as a FOX.

One is world famous for being the benchmark for trash news coverage, the other is famous amongst trump supporters for being trash...
 
i think republicans are screwed either way here, nominate him and there will be backlash...dont nominate him and it will look they have 'lost' and a poor pick to begin with
I'm not sure. The FBI "investigation" will throw up nothing of consequence, it will come down to a senate vote and there's a high chance that Kavanaugh will be voted down. If he is, the republican base will mobilize to come out in bigger numbers at the mid terms. They'll still get a chance to nominate a conservative Justice.
The main reason they're trying to push Kavanaugh through is because of his support for presidential immunity.
 
I'm not sure. The FBI "investigation" will throw up nothing of consequence, it will come down to a senate vote and there's a high chance that Kavanaugh will be voted down. If he is, the republican base will mobilize to come out in bigger numbers at the mid terms. They'll still get a chance to nominate a conservative Justice.
The main reason they're trying to push Kavanaugh through is because of his support for presidential immunity.
There is almost no chance of that.
 
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