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Well society havent said that, patriarchy- essentially men, have decided that women dont deserve bodily autonomy. They have no right to do that. Women have the same rights as men, to bodily autonomy. It's as simple as that.

As for your 2nd point, you only get to the point of safe medical treatments (which is what an abortion is) it needs to be legalised. You seem to contradict yourself a little there.
What's your opinion on men who are forced to pay 18 years of child support for a baby they didn't want and the woman wanted to keep the baby ? Do you think that women currently hold loads of power and can lock men down to 18 year contracts? What's your take on this ?
 
What's your opinion on men who are forced to pay 18 years of child support for a baby they didn't want and the woman wanted to keep the baby ? Do you think that women currently hold loads of power and can lock men down to 18 year contracts? What's your take on this ?
If a man doesn't want the responsibility of having to pay child support he should keep his cock in his pants or wear a condom. It's not rocket science.

By the way, it's obvious that you've never touched a real woman in your life.
 
If you’re looking for inequity in healthcare between men and women, you can’t focus on a situation that only women will ever find themselves in. In your prior post you suggested it was written at length and widely established. Now it’s a new area of research and more will be coming out?

You’re passionate about this issue and that’s fair enough but your comments and arguments jump all over the map. We can just agree that choice should exist for the woman, and I’ll leave it at that.

I dont remember saying it was "written at length". It is something that is spoken about by women. Academics such as Bell Hooks write about it, and there have been reports recently highlighting the gendered (and racialised) inequalities of the healthcare system. And yes, more research will likely follow. I can only give you the evidence. Whether you interpret that as "written at length" is very much a value judgement for you to make, and one I dont really have any control over.

I'd say my positions are very consistent. Women should have bodily autonomy around the issue of reproductive rights, in the same way men do. We can agree on that.
 
What's your opinion on men who are forced to pay 18 years of child support for a baby they didn't want and the woman wanted to keep the baby ? Do you think that women currently hold loads of power and can lock men down to 18 year contracts? What's your take on this ?

What an utterly revolting, pathetic and misogynistic post this is. I'm glad you've done it though, as you have highlighted what the real opposition is to what I say. Hatred of women and girls, with a desire to take away their rights under some misguided belief that it's what God would want (they wouldn't).

For the record, men should be expected to support a child they create, just as women do. If you dont want children, wear a condom and/or dont procreate. But dont go having children, and then not provide for them (which many do).

It's not locking down to a contract. It's called facing your responsibilities.

So we now have, you can be pro life, but dont expect to have to pay a single penny for that child. What do you think happens to children if they cant eat?
 
What an utterly revolting, pathetic and misogynistic post this is. I'm glad you've done it though, as you have highlighted what the real opposition is to what I say. Hatred of women and girls, with a desire to take away their rights under some misguided belief that it's what God would want (they wouldn't).

For the record, men should be expected to support a child they create, just as women do. If you dont want children, wear a condom and/or dont procreate. But dont go having children, and then not provide for them (which many do).

It's not locking down to a contract. It's called facing your responsibilities.

So we now have, you can be pro life, but dont expect to have to pay a single penny for that child. What do you think happens to children if they cant eat?
A couple get pregnant.

In scenario A, the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep it.

In scenario B the woman wants to keep it but the man doesn't

What do you do here, is it as you say, completely down to the woman? Or does the man have some rights here, after all it will be his baby too...

I don't know the answer to this at all by the way, just shows how complicated the whole thing is.
 
A couple get pregnant.

In scenario A, the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep it.

In scenario B the woman wants to keep it but the man doesn't

What do you do here, is it as you say, completely down to the woman? Or does the man have some rights here, after all it will be his baby too...

I don't know the answer to this at all by the way, just shows how complicated the whole thing is.

You're misguided in one key point.

A couple dont get pregnant. A woman gets pregnant.

She can do what she likes with her body thereafter. It's very simple. If a man gets pregnant, he can abort it too. It's the same rules.

The amount of men in this thread, blabbering on about the poor menz. Saying women dont deserve legal protection to abortion after being raped. Comparing that to having to pay minimal child support for the child is absolutely disgusting to be honest.

Theres a simple answer. Men but out. Women have the right to bodily autonomy.
 
I dont remember saying it was "written at length". It is something that is spoken about by women. Academics such as Bell Hooks write about it, and there have been reports recently highlighting the gendered (and racialised) inequalities of the healthcare system. And yes, more research will likely follow. I can only give you the evidence. Whether you interpret that as "written at length" is very much a value judgement for you to make, and one I dont really have any control over.

I'd say my positions are very consistent. Women should have bodily autonomy around the issue of reproductive rights, in the same way men do. We can agree on that.
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Here you go… You saying the medical industry is hostile towards women at a structural level and also saying women should have bodily autonomy are two different things. You were asked about the former and then defaulted back to the latter. That’s the inconsistency. They’re not the same thing.
 
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Here you go… You saying the medical industry is hostile towards women at a structural level and also saying women should have bodily autonomy are two different things. You were asked about the former and then defaulted back to the latter. That’s the inconsistency. They’re not the same thing.

Ok, fair points.

On the 1st, I have stated those who do write about it, tend to do so in reasonable length.

However it is not, in a broad sense given an enormous amount of attention, as it's quite a niche area. Hopefully that has been explained well?

On the 2nd point, the 2 are linked. Part of the reason why there is a structural bias against women, is their bodily autonomy is not taken seriously enough. They are different things, but there is an overlap.
 
Maybe it's time for states to group together and secede.
Americans all balk at this but look at New England
6 states with a population of 15 million in total.
Beaches, mountains, national parks, bio tech, high end medical and education fields. NYC and Montreal on its doorstep. Shortest distance to Europe. And generally speaking, a vast majority are of the same mindset. The same mindset as every other developed country. We have more in common with south Korea than Missouri.
I'm off down the harbor with more tea.
 
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