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[Ghost Rider]

Kindergarten-3rd grade. Basically 5-8 year olds.

Ahh ok , so it's in line with other bills going ahead then?

Personally I think normalising things to kids is fine at that age but not teaching them it. Should never teach kids that young about anything considered a political issue. Normalising the idea of having two mums or dads, or that sometimes a boy loves a boy and visa versa is how you remove homophobia.

Like as a parent you don't refer to another child by colour with your kid but also don't 'teach' them about racism either.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Ahh ok , so it's in line with other bills going ahead then?

Personally I think normalising things to kids is fine at that age but not teaching them it. Should never teach kids that young about anything considered a political issue. Normalising the idea of having two mums or dads, or that sometimes a boy loves a boy and visa versa is how you remove homophobia.

Like as a parent you don't refer to another child by colour with your kid but also don't 'teach' them about racism either.

Dude, no kid is "learning" about LBGTQ in a book at that age. Just like they aren't "learning" about straight lifestyles.

These laws are being talked about so they can charge teachers with crimes if they even mentioned gay people.

It's a solution in search of a problem

 

[Ghost Rider]

Dude, no kid is "learning" about LBGTQ in a book at that age. Just like they aren't "learning" about straight lifestyles.

These laws are being talked about so they can charge teachers with crimes if they even mentioned gay people.

It's a solution in search of a problem

how do you define teach then in a school environment? My daughter is exposed to religion due to her school because they teach it, even at a similar age to what we are talking here. So when she is coming home and talking about jesus, it is because they actively teach religion to her/

So teaching LGBT is directly educating the children in the subject, not just normalising it. It isn't a reading book that has a character with two dads, which would be normal, it would be going out your way to tell the kids about that. There was a twitter account that shared this content from tik tok of teachers, it was shut down for hate speech apparantly, even though all it did was share videos that they had made?

This bill is designed to give parents more rights ove rtheir children and their education, that is the part missed off the headline. So it is designed to include parents more in their children's education. Drawing LGBT and gender from it is just creating the shock headline but as it only applies to kids still classed as kindergarden, they aren't removing it from the whole cirriculum, just at that young level.

Why is teaching kids from 3-7 about gender identity and LGBT such an important thing in their education that can't wait until they are 8? Why is it that important in american schools that people are up in arms about it? My daughter in England has never been taught about sexuality at the same age brackets, yet say the word ban and all of a sudden people act like its suppressing rights? How can a bill designed to give parents more rights and focus their academic progression be a bad thing?

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

how do you define teach then in a school environment? My daughter is exposed to religion due to her school because they teach it, even at a similar age to what we are talking here. So when she is coming home and talking about jesus, it is because they actively teach religion to her/

So teaching LGBT is directly educating the children in the subject, not just normalising it. It isn't a reading book that has a character with two dads, which would be normal, it would be going out your way to tell the kids about that. There was a twitter account that shared this content from tik tok of teachers, it was shut down for hate speech apparantly, even though all it did was share videos that they had made?

This bill is designed to give parents more rights ove rtheir children and their education, that is the part missed off the headline. So it is designed to include parents more in their children's education. Drawing LGBT and gender from it is just creating the shock headline but as it only applies to kids still classed as kindergarden, they aren't removing it from the whole cirriculum, just at that young level.

Why is teaching kids from 3-7 about gender identity and LGBT such an important thing in their education that can't wait until they are 8? Why is it that important in american schools that people are up in arms about it? My daughter in England has never been taught about sexuality at the same age brackets, yet say the word ban and all of a sudden people act like its suppressing rights? How can a bill designed to give parents more rights and focus their academic progression be a bad thing?

If she doesn't go to a Christian school, that is wholly unacceptable

 

[Ghost Rider]

If she doesn't go to a Christian school, that is wholly unacceptable

She does.

But going on what you said originally, they aren't learning at that age about it. So what is the problem in banning it? Key word being teach here, as in part of the curriculum according to the bill itself.

My theory is that this is common knowledge that it isn't taught but when you get a headline saying DONT SAY GAY and BANNING LGBT , it develops people's outrage, meaning the headline has done its job. Even if the contents is rather different as it is in this case.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

She does.

But going on what you said originally, they aren't learning at that age about it. So what is the problem in banning it? Key word being teach here, as in part of the curriculum according to the bill itself.

My theory is that this is common knowledge that it isn't taught but when you get a headline saying DONT SAY GAY and BANNING LGBT , it develops people's outrage, meaning the headline has done its job. Even if the contents is rather different as it is in this case.

i guess that's my point. it's not being taught

But bills are being passed to make sure it's not being taught. Creating a false narrative that "the libs are ruining your children"

 

[Ruairi77]

Ahh ok , so it's in line with other bills going ahead then?

Personally I think normalising things to kids is fine at that age but not teaching them it. Should never teach kids that young about anything considered a political issue. Normalising the idea of having two mums or dads, or that sometimes a boy loves a boy and visa versa is how you remove homophobia.

Like as a parent you don't refer to another child by colour with your kid but also don't 'teach' them about racism either.

why not teach them it?
My kid is 3 and has books about how some kids have different colored skin just like they have different colored eyes and different colored hair.
There's books where some kids have two moms just like his buddy in pre-school.
What's the harm in teaching your kid about how people live?

 

[Ghost Rider]

why not teach them it?
My kid is 3 and has books about how some kids have different colored skin just like they have different colored eyes and different colored hair.
There's books where some kids have two moms just like his buddy in pre-school.
What's the harm in teaching your kid about how people live?

Why start if it doesn't exist already?

you are confusing normalising homosexuality and teaching it. normalising it is, as you say a book with two mums in it. Nothing wrong with doing that, its exposing kids to real life in a normal way.

Teaching means alongside learning to read, write, basic maths, you sit them down and specifically have lessons about it. Why is that an important subject to teach young kids? Why is going out your way as an education board to enforce this beneficial? Never mind what is the harm, what is the benefit? Why is it such an important subject to be part of a childs kindergarden education?

Especially given we are talking about little kids here, 8 and up aren't affected.

 

[Ghost Rider]

i guess that's my point. it's not being taught

But bills are being passed to make sure it's not being taught. Creating a false narrative that "the libs are ruining your children"

Which plays into the media driving the headlines to provoke hostility toward something based on current political climate.

Like i said there, to go out your way to teach this, what important subject do you make less time for?

ironically this bill is designed to give parents more say in education!

 

[Ruairi77]

Why start if it doesn't exist already?

you are confusing normalising homosexuality and teaching it. normalising it is, as you say a book with two mums in it. Nothing wrong with doing that, its exposing kids to real life in a normal way.

Teaching means alongside learning to read, write, basic maths, you sit them down and specifically have lessons about it. Why is that an important subject to teach young kids? Why is going out your way as an education board to enforce this beneficial? Never mind what is the harm, what is the benefit? Why is it such an important subject to be part of a childs kindergarden education?

Especially given we are talking about little kids here, 8 and up aren't affected.

yea but they are proposing getting rid of the book with two moms in it because it promotes a lifestyle they are not comfortable with.

 

[Ghost Rider]

yea but they are proposing getting rid of the book with two moms in it because it promotes a lifestyle they are not comfortable with.

No they aren't.

Again if you read the actual proposition, its directly related to school curriculum. or a direct quote about it

The restriction on sexuality and gender identity teaching forbids including those topics in school curricula for kindergarten through third grade. It's not intended to ban discussions that come up organically in class, Berger, R-Rockingham, said during the news conference.

 

[Ruairi77]

No they aren't.

Again if you read the actual proposition, its directly related to school curriculum. or a direct quote about it

yea, yea they are.

 

[Ghost Rider]

yea, yea they are.

Based on what?

 

[Walken]

Has rogan covered this yet

 

[Ghost Rider]

yea, yea they are.

According to the bill

Instructional materials' means any textbooks or other instructional material adopted by the State Board of Education or a local school district or school, and may include other materials used in the classroom, including workbooks and worksheets, handouts, software, applications, and any digital media made available to students.

Unless you want to spin it to include that, that sounds to me like educational material based around it the subject.