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It's not that much related to gay but things like gender identity and not teaching it to young kids.

The don't say gay is the trendy name given to it.

Fun fact, in the same state, they don't teach sex education until much later in the education system. Seems nobody is mentioning that part.

So effectively it's don't teach young kids about gender identity years before you teach them what sex actually is. One thing is for sure, it's not portrayed by the media accurately. Many little facts excluded to make it seem far worse than what it is, what many people would actually agree with

It would be just awful if kids were taught that it's ok to be who you are and that everybody is worthy of respect, wouldn't it?
 
Had a conversation with a neighbor earlier. Our kids grew up together and we've remained friends despite her knee-jerk Christofascist politics. Not surprisingly, she is supportive of this opinion. When I noted the philosophic underpinning of this decision could be used to outlaw interracial marriages like hers and like mine, her only retort was... if it ends abortion it's worth it.

Can you imagine?
Probably the type of person that would file a married filing jointly tax return anyway and then wonder why the IRS has her thrown in the clink.

As far as the Federalist Society crowd is concerned, stare decisis is nothing more than a quaint notion that gets lip service. Money = speech. The entire history of Second Amendment law was wrong and a wholly late 20th Century view of the original text is now predominant. And on and on...
It's clear enough that for some time they have believed that constitutional law is nothing but politics by other means. The problem with declaring war is that the other side will shoot back once they have a majority.

The leak itself is also going to result in a royal mess.
 
It would be just awful if kids were taught that it's ok to be who you are and that everybody is worthy of respect, wouldn't it?
If you agree that telling a little 5 year old girl/boy that they can be a boy/girl when they are learning how to read and write and basic spelling / maths then clearly you would support this bill.
 
If you agree that telling a little 5 year old girl/boy that they can be a boy/girl when they are learning how to read and write and basic spelling / maths then clearly you would support this bill.
Why is wrong to talk to children about this sort of stuff? I talk to mine about this sort of thing all the time and they dont get confused at all and just find it interesting


Same with sex and same sex relationships, it people not talking about jt cos they seem to think sex and same sex relationships are dirty
 
The leak itself is also going to result in a royal mess.
My money is on it being just another manufactured controversy. The majority court leaked it to generate "outrage" among the media/legal types while giving the political fallout several more months to simmer down before the midterms - giving time for another "outrage" to be generated for those with a short attention span.
 
If you agree that telling a little 5 year old girl/boy that they can be a boy/girl when they are learning how to read and write and basic spelling / maths then clearly you would support this bill.

What is wrong with teaching inclusivity? Its not about saying to 5 year old boys, hey do you want to be a girl?? Its about educating, inclusivity and maybe trying to avoid a mental health crisis among young kids who are LGBTQ.

My 6 year old niece has a boy in her class with 2 dads and do you know what, she thinks its as normal as her having a mum and a dad. Thats wonderful. Kids are very accepting at a young age and the earlier we can teach them respect and acceptance the better.
 
If you agree that telling a little 5 year old girl/boy that they can be a boy/girl when they are learning how to read and write and basic spelling / maths then clearly you would support this bill.

I really don't think it is about telling them they can choose to be whoever they are, it is more about letting them know it is OK if you feel different to other people.

It is not like they are following up the question 'What do you want to be when you grow up?' with 'Do you want to be a boy or a girl when being an astronaut?'
 
Why is wrong to talk to children about this sort of stuff? I talk to mine about this sort of thing all the time and they dont get confused at all and just find it interesting


Same with sex and same sex relationships, it people not talking about jt cos they seem to think sex and same sex relationships are dirty
Little kids?

Sex talk and gender identity are two completely different things. For what it's worth , sexuality should be a normalised thing for kids in terms of being gay etc. If they are gay at 16 then they are gay at 6/7 surely? They just don't realise it at that age , because, well they are little kids. So an environment where it makes someone homosexual come to terms with it easier growing up is a positive thing.
"whoever you want to be is valid and ok and we want everybody to understand and respect you"

What a terrible message for the kids.
Except in this case it's not who they are, it's who they want to be.

Gender identity leads to gender realignment at a later age, which in these circles there is calls for the age of it to come down.

So let me ask you this. If you support teaching young kids about gender identity before homosexuality , how is that beneficial to them? How does a young child distinguish being homosexual to being transgender?

If it was solely sexuality then I agree, no problem at all. But at an age where kids pretend to be superheros and princesses and dress up and make believe , you want to tell them they can be a different gender?
 
What is wrong with teaching inclusivity? Its not about saying to 5 year old boys, hey do you want to be a girl?? Its about educating, inclusivity and maybe trying to avoid a mental health crisis among young kids who are LGBTQ.

My 6 year old niece has a boy in her class with 2 dads and do you know what, she thinks its as normal as her having a mum and a dad. Thats wonderful. Kids are very accepting at a young age and the earlier we can teach them respect and acceptance the better.
Teaching sexuality and gender identity are two completely different things. One leads to children accepting who they are and the other leads to changing who they are?

How on earth do you determine to a young child whether they are gay or in the wrong sex clearly and in a way that doesn't lead to more confusion?

Like I've said a few times now. Teaching sexuality should be normal to kids of all ages. Having two dad's or mums should be normal. Allowing a child to know earlier in life that they are gay should be normal.

And how does a young child make the distinction between being gay and being transgender? At 5/6 years of age? Given mental health issues is at the forefront of transgender people , all you do is install that at a young age, confusion into who they might be.
 
So let me ask you this. If you support teaching young kids about gender identity before homosexuality , how is that beneficial to them? How does a young child distinguish being homosexual to being transgender?

If it was solely sexuality then I agree, no problem at all. But at an age where kids pretend to be superheros and princesses and dress up and make believe , you want to tell them they can be a different gender?

How about we teach them about both at the same time. My own parents were very open with me about stuff like that. I got an honest answer to every question.

As to your second weird point, it's not like people just walk in off the street aged 5 and get gender reassignment surgery. Nobody enters into that process on a whim. Dressing up as *shock!* somebody of the opposite sex doesn't mean that you will automatically be transexual. When my own mother asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up age 6 I said I wanted to be Moira Stewart, cos she was great. Strangely I grew up to be a white male with a wife and kids.

By the same token, why shouldn't I tell my children they can be a different gender if they want? It's true. Trans kids are multiple times more likely to self harm and commit suicide because they don't feel they can be open about who they are and because they are bullied by people uneducated about what they're going through.
 
Well this isnt terrifying at all. The man who will control twitter has gone down the Qanon, Extreme Right wing rabbit hole. How long before he accuses Dems of satan worshiping peadophilia

 
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