General strike/protest

[roydo]

Aah....the old 'new lawnmowers ploy' eh?

I do it every single tax year mate. Nowt wrong with that. As long as I declare legal costs to reduce my tax bill, I am more than comfortable with that.
That being said, hardly contributed a bean these last 2 years!

 

[Seanjd]

I've no sympathy for them at all - if the Labour party spent more time trying to be a real opposition rather than coming up with petty lists, they might have a chance of coming a decent 2nd in 2020.

I'm sure they devote most of their time trying to be a real opposition. If you watch parliament, they generally do quite well. The medi, however, is a different issue.

 

[Seanjd]

Aah....the old 'new lawnmowers ploy' eh?

I do it every single tax year mate. Nowt wrong with that. As long as I declare legal costs to reduce my tax bill, I am more than comfortable with that.
That being said, hardly contributed a bean these last 2 years!

What's the 'new lawn mowers ploy?'

 

[roydo]

What's the 'new lawn mowers ploy?'

I took it to mean reduce a tax bill by buying stuff you dont really need, but can be justified in a set of accounts.

A bit like councils and that using up a pothole budget just before they have to submit books for government grants.

Being, er, "creative". But not being illegal.

 

[Seanjd]

I took it to mean reduce a tax bill by buying stuff you dont really need, but can be justified in a set of accounts.

A bit like councils and that using up a pothole budget just before they have to submit books for government grants.

Being, er, "creative". But not being illegal.

I see. Tax avoidance, then?

 

[roydo]

I see. Tax avoidance, then?

Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not.

Like a few years ago, when I was running a dead small business, (ie, me), and Mrs R was not working, she would do the books, receipts, bits of admin, answer the phone etc. So I "paid" her £9000 ish in the books. Plus NIC.

If the car needed changing/servicing, cos it was vital to the job, those costs would be capital expenditure, same with desks, and chairs, a % of leccy and internet bills.

All legal, and HMRC tell you how to it.

And all reduced my tax bill.

Amazon etc just do it on an epic basis.

 

[magicjuan]

What's the 'new lawn mowers ploy?'

Firstly I was paraphrasing Peter Sellers as Clouseau, secondly I thought this being an Everton forum some might have made the connection to, thirdly, as highlighted above cap ex to not erm 'have to' make a contribution to HRMC...

 

[roydo]

Firstly I was paraphrasing Peter Sellers as Clouseau, secondly I thought this being an Everton forum some might have made the connection to, thirdly, as highlighted above cap ex to not erm 'have to' make a contribution to HRMC...

Quite. Its legal, and justified, in my small world. Certainly aint going to volunteer to pay more than I should.

 

[Seanjd]

Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not.

Like a few years ago, when I was running a dead small business, (ie, me), and Mrs R was not working, she would do the books, receipts, bits of admin, answer the phone etc. So I "paid" her £9000 ish in the books. Plus NIC.

If the car needed changing/servicing, cos it was vital to the job, those costs would be capital expenditure, same with desks, and chairs, a % of leccy and internet bills.

All legal, and HMRC tell you how to it.

And all reduced my tax bill.

Amazon etc just do it on an epic basis.

Don't amazon etc just move their profits abroad where the tax is lower? That's totally different isn't it?

 

[magicjuan]

Don't amazon etc just move their profits abroad where the tax is lower? That's totally different isn't it?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/009...340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=treasure+island+book

Read this, explains it all, shocking stuff but very readable

 

[bring the ghost on]

I can see the logic in being "tax efficient", e.g. as Roydo describes above, but offshore accounting is just morally wrong.

 

[Seanjd]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ndustrial-action-to-all-out-strike-next-month

I hope, if this goes ahead, it is well attended and well supported.

 

[dandydan]

Quite. Its legal, and justified, in my small world. Certainly aint going to volunteer to pay more than I should.

Off to the gulag with you.

 

[Clint Planet]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ndustrial-action-to-all-out-strike-next-month

I hope, if this goes ahead, it is well attended and well supported.

Big turn out at the rally in Westminster last night. Woman from the BMA spoke - they're right behind the teachers, of course. This is an ideological war being waged on health and education. Stealth privatisation.

Joint action looking like it's on the cards......

 

[oldblue]

I've no sympathy for them at all - if the Labour party spent more time trying to be a real opposition rather than coming up with petty lists, they might have a chance of coming a decent 2nd in 2020.

What about sympathy for those directly effected by a horrible budget. Is it important that any politician reflecting their voice is allowed to do so without contrived sideshows?
Pretty sure even if this list was drawn up by someone close to Corbyn rather than just a completely fabricated distraction then it would hardly have taken up a fraction of the time that The Conservatives and Blair's Labour spend focusing on their media image and spin every day.
Labour are now ahead in the polls so seems maybe people are getting bored of endless political spin, but we can now expect more underhand methods to prevent an honest political alternative.

Tory policies are destroying peoples' lives, but somehow a list released at a miraculously convenient time without any source is not analysed in terms of it's spin. Do you really think it reflects badly on those focused on the issues rather than those presenting it for their own political aims. The media is losing all credibility the more desperate their attempts become to collude with government in this transparent manner become. And it feels like many more people are seeing through it.
In fact I think any section of the media or the public who believe that a crass trick like this clouds the opposition to Tory policy on disability payments are either so naive or so biased that they are making democracy irrelevant in their own lives.