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[dholliday]

That is some take, given how the majority of the media here actively supports the government and actively encourages people to hate “the woke agenda”.

The people just haven't been fully 'educated' yet.

What do the two-minute Hate sessions remind you of? Just look at the Trump thread title here, calling him a PieceOfShit. That thread is a microcosm of the constant global hate thrown that man's way in the last 5 years. Just showing his image, or mentioning his name, will get many in a mad froth.

Kids' dobbing on their parents for wrongthink? Happening:

Teen turns dad who participated in the Capitol riot over to the F.B.I.

‘I would do it again,’ says Jackson Reffitt, whose father threatened to shoot him if he reported him to police

www.marketwatch.com

'Hi mom… this you?': BLM-supporting teen calls out mother for attending U.S. Capitol riot

A U.S. teen publicly shamed her mother for being punched in the face during a violent altercation at a pro-Trump rally outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Changing history by stealth-editing news articles? Done:

The Washington Post Tried To Memory-Hole Kamala Harris' Bad Joke About Inmates Begging for Food and Water

At a time when legacy publications are increasingly seen as playing for one political "team" or the other, this type of editorial decision will not do anything to fix that perception.

reason.com

another one:

i could go on....i've read that book more than any other, it also informs the current drone-strikes programs, the NSA-surveillance, the pressure to apologise profusely for wrongthink, Smartphones/cams = telescreens...and much more.

The powers-that-be haven't heeded 1984 as a warning. They've used it as an instruction manual.

@dead_soft @Bishop Thumpety-Thump

 

[dead_soft]

The people just haven't been fully 'educated' yet.

What do the two-minute Hate sessions remind you of? Just look at the Trump thread title here, calling him a PieceOfShit. That thread is a microcosm of the constant global hate thrown that man's way in the last 5 years. Just showing his image, or mentioning his name, will get many in a mad froth.

Kids' dobbing on their parents for wrongthink? Happening:

Teen turns dad who participated in the Capitol riot over to the F.B.I.

‘I would do it again,’ says Jackson Reffitt, whose father threatened to shoot him if he reported him to police

www.marketwatch.com

'Hi mom… this you?': BLM-supporting teen calls out mother for attending U.S. Capitol riot

A U.S. teen publicly shamed her mother for being punched in the face during a violent altercation at a pro-Trump rally outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Changing history by stealth-editing news articles? Done:

The Washington Post Tried To Memory-Hole Kamala Harris' Bad Joke About Inmates Begging for Food and Water

At a time when legacy publications are increasingly seen as playing for one political "team" or the other, this type of editorial decision will not do anything to fix that perception.

reason.com

i could go on....i've read that book more than any other, it also informs the current drone-strikes programs, the NSA-surveillance and much more. Smartphones/cams = telescreens.

The powers-that-be haven't heeded 1984 as a warning. They've used it as an instruction manual.

@dead_soft @Bishop Thumpety-Thump

Oh my gosh, it is just so, so, so, silly. It's not a particularly great thing to have read 1984 repeatedly - it's quite a simplistic, but enjoyable enough read. It has not been used by anyone as an instruction manual. Whilst literature is a great tool for helping to think and consider the world, it is not helpful that people are so reliant on a book that has vague parallels to now.

I mean, how in any way are we living in a state-mandated dictatorship? I dislike the Tories but, mate, come on.

 

[wandyr79]

any reading of 1984 today will only see parallels with the woke agenda, reactions to the pandemic and Trump as Emmanuel Goldstein.

I can't see any of that so please explain in more detail, what is it about Emmanuel Goldstein's behaviour and thoughts make him like Trump, what parallels with the woke agenda and what exact parts mirrored the pandemic reactions? It is all well and good to put this out as one very vague sentence, so if you could show your workings that would be interesting to me.

 

[tsubaki]

The people just haven't been fully 'educated' yet.

What do the two-minute Hate sessions remind you of? Just look at the Trump thread title here, calling him a PieceOfShit. That thread is a microcosm of the constant global hate thrown that man's way in the last 5 years. Just showing his image, or mentioning his name, will get many in a mad froth.

Kids' dobbing on their parents for wrongthink? Happening:

Teen turns dad who participated in the Capitol riot over to the F.B.I.

‘I would do it again,’ says Jackson Reffitt, whose father threatened to shoot him if he reported him to police

www.marketwatch.com

'Hi mom… this you?': BLM-supporting teen calls out mother for attending U.S. Capitol riot

A U.S. teen publicly shamed her mother for being punched in the face during a violent altercation at a pro-Trump rally outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Changing history by stealth-editing news articles? Done:

The Washington Post Tried To Memory-Hole Kamala Harris' Bad Joke About Inmates Begging for Food and Water

At a time when legacy publications are increasingly seen as playing for one political "team" or the other, this type of editorial decision will not do anything to fix that perception.

reason.com

i could go on....i've read the book more than any other, it also informs the current drone-strikes programs, the NSA-surveillance and much more. Smartphones/cams = telescreens.

The powers-that-be haven't heeded 1984 as a warning. They've used it as an instruction manual.

@dead_soft @Bishop Thumpety-Thump

Right... but the thing that baffles me is why you are signing up to hate the things that you are told to by the people who are responsible for mass surveillance, social media and the rest of things compared to Orwell’s world. It’s really strange.

 

[wandyr79]

The people just haven't been fully 'educated' yet.

What do the two-minute Hate sessions remind you of? Just look at the Trump thread title here, calling him a PieceOfShit. That thread is a microcosm of the constant global hate thrown that man's way in the last 5 years. Just showing his image, or mentioning his name, will get many in a mad froth.

Kids' dobbing on their parents for wrongthink? Happening:

Teen turns dad who participated in the Capitol riot over to the F.B.I.

‘I would do it again,’ says Jackson Reffitt, whose father threatened to shoot him if he reported him to police

www.marketwatch.com

'Hi mom… this you?': BLM-supporting teen calls out mother for attending U.S. Capitol riot

A U.S. teen publicly shamed her mother for being punched in the face during a violent altercation at a pro-Trump rally outside of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Changing history by stealth-editing news articles? Done:

The Washington Post Tried To Memory-Hole Kamala Harris' Bad Joke About Inmates Begging for Food and Water

At a time when legacy publications are increasingly seen as playing for one political "team" or the other, this type of editorial decision will not do anything to fix that perception.

reason.com

another one:

i could go on....i've read that book more than any other, it also informs the current drone-strikes programs, the NSA-surveillance, the pressure to apologise profusely for wrongthink, Smartphones/cams = telescreens...and much more.

The powers-that-be haven't heeded 1984 as a warning. They've used it as an instruction manual.

@dead_soft @Bishop Thumpety-Thump

I am sorry but the part about kids 'dobbing' in their parents because of wrongthink is a bit far fetched when comparing them to 1984. They were not thinking wrong, in that sense, they committed a physical crime. If they just shared an opinion on the riots and/or the election process I very much doubt the kids would have 'dobbed' them in, also, I very much doubt anybody would have acted on their thought.

Bad example, in my opinion.

Also, I agree with the smartphones/Cams/etc. as a parallel to telescreens but that doesn't have anything to do with what you said regarding woke, the pandemic & Trump.

 

[tsubaki]

Oh my gosh, it is just so, so, so, silly. It's not a particularly great thing to have read 1984 repeatedly - it's quite a simplistic, but enjoyable enough read. It has not been used by anyone as an instruction manual. Whilst literature is a great tool for helping to think and consider the world, it is not helpful that people are so reliant on a book that has vague parallels to now.

I mean, how in any way are we living in a state-mandated dictatorship? I dislike the Tories but, mate, come on.

TBF watch how some of Trump’s acolytes behave and it really is reminiscent of a dictatorship.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I can't see any of that so please explain in more detail, what is it about Emmanuel Goldstein's behaviour and thoughts make him like Trump, what parallels with the woke agenda and what exact parts mirrored the pandemic reactions? It is all well and good to put this out as one very vague sentence, so if you could show your workings that would be interesting to me.

To be fair, it's probably better than thinking Trump is Hank Rearden.

 

[dholliday]

Oh my gosh, it is just so, so, so, silly. It's not a particularly great thing to have read 1984 repeatedly - it's quite a simplistic, but enjoyable enough read. It has not been used by anyone as an instruction manual. Whilst literature is a great tool for helping to think and consider the world, it is not helpful that people are so reliant on a book that has vague parallels to now.

1984 simplistic?

not heard that one before lol

I mean, how in any way are we living in a state-mandated dictatorship? I dislike the Tories but, mate, come on.

maybe you missed my first sentence...

also check out my many real-world examples...coincidence? Confirmation bias?

Right... but the thing that baffles me is why you are signing up to hate the things that you are told to by the people who are responsible for mass surveillance, social media and the rest of things compared to Orwell’s world. It’s really strange.

you might have to rephrase that, tsu.

I can't see any of that so please explain in more detail, what is it about Emmanuel Goldstein's behaviour and thoughts make him like Trump, what parallels with the woke agenda and what exact parts mirrored the pandemic reactions? It is all well and good to put this out as one very vague sentence, so if you could show your workings that would be interesting to me.

it's the symbolism. the point of Goldstein is the same as the point of Trump: a figure for the people to ceaselessly hate. Direct your energies to that hate figure (see the Trump thread here) then enjoy the release of welcoming Big Brother (see the Biden/Kamala threads, which literally have comments saying how "adorable" they are). Again, a microcosm of the conversation globally, from the perspective of the Left.

This is emotional-programming, meaning the programmed folk are ever more likely to reject anything Trump does or says (see @Bishop Thumpety-Thump earlier struggling to admit Trump did some good work pushing the vaccines), while they will support any policy or behaviour of Big Brother, because he's adorable. See Biden's pipeline decisions almost certainly having deadly knock-on effects in the Middle-East, and his weird behaviour around young girls, or Kamala's odd out-of-place cackling or her policies of locking up weed-smokers & parents of truant kids. Things that would normally get short shrift from traditional Left commentators.

But they don't, because the Left is being programmed. This programming only works of there is an immense Hate figure to bounce off.

Also notable: Biden's focus on MAGA-supporting domestic terrorists as the 'greatest threat in America'. We have always been at war with the Far-Right etc. Regardless that BLM/Antifa riots have killed far more people in the previous 12 months.

And closer to home: the emotional programming behind the anti-Brexit sentiment. It's relentless. That shouldn't be normal, but hints at Telescreen-style relentless programming.


Am i right? Online, there are countless thousands of articles claiming their own interpretation of why 1984 is prophetic, many from the anti-Trump camp who tell us 1984 warned us of figures like Trump. An interpretation that also may have basis when one spends time in 'patriot' forums, tho' the worship of Trump from that end appears to have piped down a bit now.

So there's no right or wrong interpretation. Even the dead soft lad here has his own, quite unique, opinion.

May all our views remain alive to the possibility of being heard!

What's your take?

 

[dead_soft]

1984 simplistic?

not heard that one before lol


maybe you missed my first sentence...

also check out my many real-world examples...coincidence? Confirmation bias?

I mean, it very much is. It's a decent book but it's a pretty surface level analogy and Orwell didn't really attempt anything but that. It's a well regarded book but it's not particularly dense.

So by your view, a few people getting called out for things they've said on Twitter will lead us to what?

 

[dholliday]

I am sorry but the part about kids 'dobbing' in their parents because of wrongthink is a bit far fetched when comparing them to 1984. They were not thinking wrong, in that sense, they committed a physical crime. If they just shared an opinion on the riots and/or the election process I very much doubt the kids would have 'dobbed' them in, also, I very much doubt anybody would have acted on their thought.

Sure, the first guy trespassed. No further indication he participated in any violence. Tho' he does seem a role-playing Rambo who chats a lot of wum (thoughtcrime). More here.

And to the second example: her mother got punched in the face! She was a victim of physical crime, not the perp. Yet her daughter dobbed her in for wrongthink (protesting against BLM):

 

[dholliday]

I mean, it very much is. It's a decent book but it's a pretty surface level analogy and Orwell didn't really attempt anything but that. It's a well regarded book but it's not particularly dense.

The Goldstein section is certainly dense.

You're entitled to your view, it's just not shared by many.

 

[dholliday]

so by your view, a few people getting called out for things they've said on Twitter will lead us to what?

i linked a lot more than just twitter.

in my view, the concrete examples i've linked and mentioned, with my analysis of Trump-as-the-Goldstein-hate-figure, points to a neo-fascistic totalitarian direction for society - perhaps within a generation or two - should those utilising these methods win the so-called culture war.


We're not there now, but the threat is there.

 

[Prevenger17]

any reading of 1984 today will only see parallels with the woke agenda, reactions to the pandemic and Trump as Emmanuel Goldstein.

Lol jesus. This may be a corker on par with your admission that you do political compass tests

 

[dholliday]

Lol jesus. This may be a corker on par with your admission that you do political compass tests

only did it once x

aren't you curious? it has some good questions that will make you pause for thought.

 

[wandyr79]

1984 simplistic?

not heard that one before lol


maybe you missed my first sentence...

also check out my many real-world examples...coincidence? Confirmation bias?



you might have to rephrase that, tsu.



it's the symbolism. the point of Goldstein is the same as the point of Trump: a figure for the people to ceaselessly hate. Direct your energies to that hate figure (see the Trump thread here) then enjoy the release of welcoming Big Brother (see the Biden/Kamala threads, which literally have comments saying how "adorable" they are). Again, a microcosm of the conversation globally, from the perspective of the Left.

This is emotional-programming, meaning the programmed folk are ever more likely to reject anything Trump does or says (see @Bishop Thumpety-Thump earlier struggling to admit Trump did some good work pushing the vaccines), while they will support any policy or behaviour of Big Brother, because he's adorable. See Biden's pipeline decisions almost certainly having deadly knock-on effects in the Middle-East, and his weird behaviour around young girls, or Kamala's odd out-of-place cackling or her policies of locking up weed-smokers & parents of truant kids. Things that would normally get short shrift from traditional Left commentators.

But they don't, because the Left is being programmed. This programming only works of there is an immense Hate figure to bounce off.

Also notable: Biden's focus on MAGA-supporting domestic terrorists as the 'greatest threat in America'. We have always been at war with the Far-Right etc. Regardless that BLM/Antifa riots have killed far more people in the previous 12 months.

And closer to home: the emotional programming behind the anti-Brexit sentiment. It's relentless. That shouldn't be normal, but hints at Telescreen-style relentless programming.


Am i right? Online, there are countless thousands of articles claiming their own interpretation of why 1984 is prophetic, many from the anti-Trump camp who tell us 1984 warned us of figures like Trump. An interpretation that also may have basis when one spends time in 'patriot' forums, tho' the worship of Trump from that end appears to have piped down a bit now.

So there's no right or wrong interpretation. Even the dead soft lad here has his own, quite unique, opinion.

May all our views remain alive to the possibility of being heard!

What's your take?

I will be honest, I don't generally go into the whole 'meaning of' fictional books/films, very much. That is very much my other half's focus, so I asked her but she hasn't read 1984 recently enough to comment confidently enough, she is very much anti Trump (she is American) so I doubt she would agree 100% with your idealistic view of Trump being a poor victim

Although, you say the left is being programmed. There is 100% programming on both sides of the political spectrum. So you could argue that 1984 is an analogy of the world as a whole not just the evil left.

On the Anti Brexit sentiment, I honestly believe that the main reason the country voted to leave in the referendum is because of the mass brainwashing and the relentless nature of those statements. The bus, the immigration argument, the blue passports. I was angry with the pro EU advocates in that period because they very rarely and not very loudly refuted the relentless and loud claims made by Johnson, Farage and co.

The right wing media is relentless in its defence of Brexit, again a style of brainwashing. You look at Fox news and some of the stuff they come out with as fact is ridiculous.

So my take is, if I was to see the analogy of the book in your way, that you are still wrong to focus on it being about one side. It is about society in general and how both sides use brainwashing techniques to stop people from doing even the most basic research into the arguments.