Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
I agree with you mate, I was just stating why we're not going all out for silverware.
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Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
Top teams have much larger squads with better quality on the bench...
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
For 90 minutes, your priority should be for the game your playing in, regardless of competition..
Appreciate that means we will lose a lot of games in extra time, but that's not the point.. Point is, we should be out to win every game, if a player is 'tired', put a different one on, and its his responsibility to step up and perform in the manor befitting of someone who earns a lifetimes wage in a year, if he can't, why are we paying him his ludicrous wage?
Appreciate that means we will lose a lot of games in extra time, but that's not the point.. Point is, we should be out to win every game, if a player is 'tired', put a different one on, and its his responsibility to step up and perform in the manor befitting of someone who earns a lifetimes wage in a year, if he can't, why are we paying him his ludicrous wage?
TraffordBlue
Player Valuation: £30m
Well said.
Success is measured on winning trophies, not coming in a European place. There is also no reason why a club like us with the players we have and our increased squad size, cannot try and do the best we can in the league as well as win trophies.
Imagine for example that over the next 20 years we could see what Everton were going to achieve and it was either 10 seasons of CL football, getting no further than the first knockout phase, with no trophies, or a a couple of European qualifications and a League Cup and FA Cup win, I know which i'd rather see.
It would be the second one every time for me. As much as i'd love to get to the Nou Camp etc watching Everton, i'd much rather the memory of beating Hull in the Cup Final than getting battered 4-0 at Bayern Munich just so we could celebrate finishing 4th and briefly mixing with the elite.
marty mcfly
Player Valuation: £40m
This year I understand why we didn't focus on the League Cup but I wouldn't say we didn't focus on the FA Cup. We just weren't playing well when we met West Ham and where unlucky.
The reality is that you can't focus on cups. If we get a cup run great but it's not something we can plan for. What teams do however is intentionally not give a damn about them and I don't think Martinez did that with the FA Cup.
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
Nope... I would much rather try and compete for the Champions League qualification like we did 2013/14 if im being completely honest.
Winning a pot would obviously be great. However when you break it all down and look at it more closely, its just a day out really. Times have changed in football dramatically and The Champions League is now where you want your team. Qualifying for that can benefit your club ten fold in many different ways and is the next level of togger. Even before the top 4 became so important, we've only won the F.A Cup 5 times in well over 100 years and so its no where near a sure thing that we'll win the thing ' every now and then '.
Its only because we haven't actually managed to qualify for the champions league proper that we don't realize the impact it would have on our club in those many different ways.
Ask the question to the fans of the clubs who have qualified for the champions league and they'll say that finishing top 4 is paramount over any of the domestic cups. They've seen what it can bring.
Winning a pot is temporary, qualifying for the big one goes further than temporary for me, or could be if done right and taken advantage of.
Winning a pot would obviously be great. However when you break it all down and look at it more closely, its just a day out really. Times have changed in football dramatically and The Champions League is now where you want your team. Qualifying for that can benefit your club ten fold in many different ways and is the next level of togger. Even before the top 4 became so important, we've only won the F.A Cup 5 times in well over 100 years and so its no where near a sure thing that we'll win the thing ' every now and then '.
Its only because we haven't actually managed to qualify for the champions league proper that we don't realize the impact it would have on our club in those many different ways.
Ask the question to the fans of the clubs who have qualified for the champions league and they'll say that finishing top 4 is paramount over any of the domestic cups. They've seen what it can bring.
Winning a pot is temporary, qualifying for the big one goes further than temporary for me, or could be if done right and taken advantage of.
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
When was the last time we won a cup ? 20 years ago mate. I get mates txting me to pipe me down with the Windows 95 picture when i get too cocky about Everton.
Are you trying to suggest that we simply haven't tried to win a cup since 95 ? We've never won the league cup, like EVER.... are you suggesting we haven't tried to win that too ?
As much as it hurts saying it, we haven't won a trophy for so long because we simply haven't been good enough. Its as simple as that. Teams like Man Utd and Arsenal have won domestic trophy after trophy why ? They were put on this generations football map by qualifying for the champions league, generating ridiculous amounts of cash, attracting the next level of player, the next level of sponsorship deals, the next level of advertising....... the next level of everything.
That in time will see us consistently competing for the each tournament we enter. The top 4 is where your team needs to be long term.
Portsmouth and Wigan have each one the F.A Cup in recent years. Nice day out, great celebrations but that did nothing for the club at all. Every single person that is connected to those clubs would gladly swap that cup win for a team that is more than capable to challenge for the top 4.
....we have either/or questions every season but it shouldn't be a matter of concentrating on the cup or the league. We concentrate on both. The aim is to finish as high as possible and win the cup competitions.
SailorBlue
Player Valuation: £2.5m
If I was a player I'd want cups and medals. No medals for finishing in a CL spot behind the champions. You want to have something to show. It's about winning honours not money or it should be
Lifelong-Toffee
Player Valuation: £500k
Yes but that's a big if....would it be taken advantage of? Could just be a flash in the pan.
Spurs briefly got CL qualification and so did the RS last year...there's been no effect on Liverpool and it's only a new stadium and massive amounts of money that will in the long term have any transformative effect on Spurs. I get what you say, and I'd have loved it of we'd have qualified and put us in the shop window for a rich and good new owner.
Everything is temporary and ephemeral mate - but at least the memories and excitement of Wembley and cup success is recorded in our minds, on the trophys and the histroy books
Just qualification for qualifications sake is pointless. You generate money that goes on new players, and it's just a cycle that perpetuates. If I was an Arsenal fan I'd wonder what the benefits were: CL qualification means they're increasingly popular, which means ticket prices are extravagant, and that's assuming you can even get a ticket to a match....they're always sold out and the ST waiting list is huge. i like the fact I can get a ticket to almost any Everton game I want every year and thou it's expensive, it's not Arsenal expensive
- 19 teams don't win the PL every year, however many millions of riches are in the bank of the owners. So if success is judged by PL success solely, then we'd all be glory hunters. There are other reasons we support our clubs
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
Ironic that you should put these two things into the same paragraph when players are demanding 100's of thousands a week to play.
squonk
Player Valuation: £8m
don't be ridiculous I didn't even come close to suggesting anything of the sort
I'm amazed at how many are focused on cups. Winning them is great, but does nothing to grow the club.
Guaranteed CL football is a minimum standard we should be shooting for. CL football sorts the cups out because the best in the world will only want to play for clubs that are in the CL.
It's 2015, not 1985.
Guaranteed CL football is a minimum standard we should be shooting for. CL football sorts the cups out because the best in the world will only want to play for clubs that are in the CL.
It's 2015, not 1985.
Lifelong-Toffee
Player Valuation: £500k
The Moyes loss against Wigan in 2013 was poor, 3-0 against Martinez's Wigan. Same year we lost 3rd round against Leeds in the League Cup. That year we didn't have Europa league and we totally could or should have won if the mentality was right.
What I'm saying is, if by February we're definitely not going to qualify for CL, and were obviously safe in the league, and we're in the 5th round of the cups or whatever, then we should consider resting players for the cup games...have key players miss a PL match or so (if it's not the Derby), and get the mentality of cups taking primacy right in the players's minds.
The CL teams play mostly kids and whatnot in the League Cup anyway, and outside of the usual suspects of United, Chelsea, arsenal and city there's no one really that should be beating us, and we have showed that we can fancy ourselves against them anyway on our day
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
We've hardly ever gone out with an under strength side in the F.A cup is my first point.
We don't need our players missing a game to get the mentality right though. Players are selected to go out and try and win each and every game. We've always played our strongest 11 possible in the F.A cup (for the most part). Players don't need to be rested because whenever the F.A cup is being played, there is no league fixture anyway.
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