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[Neiler]

Can't believe somebody just said:

"If we were to make a sacrifice it should be Cahill, there's no point in scoring when you're losing".

I think its a bit ridiclous not considering it at as option, to be honest, Super Tim Cahill is terrific, but the point is how does having him in the team dictate our approach play and how much our other strikers attributes are limited because of that and playing towards his.

Which in the context of us scoring or struggleing to do so is at least a point of debate.

 

[Summerskin]

Not sure who said that, but damn that's stupid. His other goals have won points.

And someone said to me that before Yak's winner at Stoke, none of his PL goals for us had ever won us a game. But were people asking to drop him when he bagged 21?

From Neiler:

"Rodwell is a terrific footballer and needs a run in the team beside Arteta, im not sure if we need an enforcer or not but if we do so be it with Cahill as the sacrifce no point scoring one every second game if your getting beat 2-1."


If Cahill couldn't hit a barn door like this time last year I could see where you were coming from, but at this moment in time he's in the best goal scoring form of his Everton career, we will fit the team around the in form goalscorer as far as I'm concerned.

 

[RFUS]

I think its a bit ridiclous not it considering at as option, to be honest, Super Tim Cahill is terrific, but thepoint is how does having him in the team dictate our approach play and how much our other strikers attributes limited by that and playing towards here.

Which in the context of us scoring or struggleing to do so is at least a point of debate.

Well when you word it like that mate, then it's certainly a viable point of discussion. But belittling the importance of Cahill's goals this season is unfair. I'm pretty sure the rest have earned us points.

 

[Neiler]

From Neiler:

"Rodwell is a terrific footballer and needs a run in the team beside Arteta, im not sure if we need an enforcer or not but if we do so be it with Cahill as the sacrifce no point scoring one every second game if your getting beat 2-1."


If Cahill couldn't hit a barn door like this time last year I could see where you were coming from, but at this moment in time he's in the best goal scoring form of his Everton career, we will fit the team around the in form goalscorer as far as I'm concerned.

Meaning in fact having Tim in team dictates a lot of our approach play, he lives on crosses, not so much Beckford, Saha or Yak but this seems to be our idea when going forward, the primary role of the centre forward is also to get on the end of those crosses and hold the ball up to allow Cahill and others get in the box.

What im suggesting is that teams have well cottened on and the time it takes to get our midfeild into the box gives the oppoistion time to regroup get men behind the ball, make their defensive shape and so on. Meaning we only ever manage the odd goal.

If for example we played 4-4-2 with say Louis and Beckford, that would give us the oppurtunity of running beyond the backline, occupying two defenders, playing the ball centrally and negate the need to hold up play for midfeild joiners, menaing the oppositn defence is on the back foot from the off.

Im not binning Cahill by any manner of means just pointing out that our system has long been cottoned onto and its easy to set up against, im advocateing the need for variety more then anything.

I know Super Tim Chaill stats this year are pretty good, just wondering is that at the detremint of our strikers and if in fact we played two up front would that supplement or perhaps exceed what Tim has scored and would it offer more choices to the team in terms of approach play.

 

[Great Dane]

I would drop Arteta and place Cahill in the middle with Rodwell. Piennar and Coleman on the wings and start with Beckford and Yakubu. Yakubu's hold up play is the best at the club, which should setup Beckford.
Moyes really needs to try the two strikers.

 

[RFUS]

I would drop Arteta and place Cahill in the middle with Rodwell. Piennar and Coleman on the wings and start with Beckford and Yakubu. Yakubu's hold up play is the best at the club, which should setup Beckford.
Moyes really needs to try the two strikers.

Bar the insanity of your first suggestion, I think that's worth a try. The Yak is a master at holding it up and bringing others into play, and Beckford's looking -- gasp -- really sharp.

 

[Great Dane]

Bar the insanity of your first suggestion, I think that's worth a try. The Yak is a master at holding it up and bringing others into play, and Beckford's looking -- gasp -- really sharp.

IMO we need to be more direct, not the warming of the ball that Arteta currently does. Arteta in the highest gear is our best midfielder but right now it is not working for him.

 

[RFUS]

IMO we need to be more direct, not the warming of the ball that Arteta currently does. Arteta in the highest gear is our best midfielder but right now it is not working for him.

It was as much that you suggested moving Cahill to CM, as it was moving Arteta to the bench.

Arteta needs a kick up the arse, but Cahill is not a CM, mate.

Personally, I'd like to see a midfield triangle of Felli, Arteta and Rodwell, with the latter two in front of the big guy.

 

[Neiler]

It was as much that you suggested moving Cahill to CM, as it was moving Arteta to the bench.

Arteta needs a kick up the arse, but Cahill is not a CM, mate.

Personally, I'd like to see a midfield triangle of Felli, Arteta and Rodwell, with the latter two in front of the big guy.

So where would Cahill fit into that mate.

 

[ijjysmith]

So where would Cahill fit into that mate.

Right back

 

[RFUS]

So where would Cahill fit into that mate.

He might not.

I'd have no problems with leaving him on the bench for the first half to try something new. Or, he could be played as a striker, tbh.

Coleman Jags Distin Baines
Felli
Arteta Rodwell
Beckford Cahill Yakubu​

That's an exciting looking team imo.

 

[Neiler]

He might not.

I'd have no problems with leaving him on the bench for the first half to try something new. Or, he could be played as a striker, tbh.

Coleman Jags Distin Baines
Felli
Arteta Rodwell
Beckford Cahill Yakubu​

That's an exciting looking team imo.

Decent shout mate, would mean Arteta, Rodders or Beckford and Yak, covering the overlaping full backs, cant see him going for it.

 

[RFUS]

Decent shout mate, would mean Arteta, Rodders or Beckford and Yak, covering the overlaping full backs, cant see him going for it.

Might be best having Rodwell alongside Felli then, to cover the fullbacks. A 4-2-1-3, then.

The point is, with so many good players, comes so many potential variations. Yet we line up the same every game.

 

[Neiler]

Might be best having Rodwell alongside Felli then, to cover the fullbacks. A 4-2-1-3, then.

The point is, with so many good players, comes so many potential variations. Yet we line up the same every game.

The case in point mate, ive often thought Davey prefers the 4-2-3-1 role but injuries to Big Vic and i think the form of Billy and Pienaar situation have hamperd him:


-----------------Krul

Nev-------Jags-------Buzz---Bainesy


------------Mofro----SMA


Anichebe------STC---------Pienaar/Billy/Gueye

-----------------Yak

Cahill, Anichebe and one of the three in support of the striker inpocession then dropping deeper covering when not making a five in midfeild.