Welton Toffee
Player Valuation: £40m
The point I was making, is when Pienaar is back, would people drop Manny?
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In a heartbeat, he has done nothing to warrant a place ahead of the other 3 attacking midfielders (4 if you include Cahill as a midfielder) but i think it will be Ossie who suffers
Desaparecido
Player Valuation: £15m
What about the issues he had with The Nightclub incident before he came over? If this hasn't been put to bed perhaps it's playing on his mind and affecting his performances and morale.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
You talking about Cahill or Osman?
Get my point?
It isn't just Fernandes who isn't "lighting it up."
If it were me, I'd drop Cahill and give him a rest as he's been flat out anonymous the past three matches.
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
Sorry Halewood but Ossie and Cahill have been just as dire as Fernandes over the past few matches if you really care about making honest comparisons.
Cal
Player Valuation: £40m
He's been injured :huh:
Im thinking Fernandes could become my new Hibbert, Im fed up of Anti-Aigeybeni for the moment.
In fairness Bill does have a good point though.
In fairness Bill does have a good point though.
monty
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Which is?
SuitsBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Another thing, munny has the upcoming police matter/court case over the alleged assault/s in the valencia nightclub. that still being 'up in the air' and there possibly being a rather sizable fine on top of any police action could be a weight around his neck.
with regards his passing percentages, its difficult to judge, pass selection being the fulcrum of this issue. im sure he could pass backwards or sideways with a percentage over 98, but its the passing forward and helping the players advance towards goal that leads to unsuccessful passing figures.
i wonder which player in our squad has the best passing average, and if its possible, to find out how many of them were made forwards.
with regards his passing percentages, its difficult to judge, pass selection being the fulcrum of this issue. im sure he could pass backwards or sideways with a percentage over 98, but its the passing forward and helping the players advance towards goal that leads to unsuccessful passing figures.
i wonder which player in our squad has the best passing average, and if its possible, to find out how many of them were made forwards.
byte
Player Valuation: £500k
I didn't watch the Reading game. So I would like to know from u guys, did Manny play behind Carsley or in front of him?? Coz i noticed for the past 2 games he has been playing either alongside or behind Carsley which I think Moyes got it wrong. He should be playing alongside Arteta and give him the freedom to attack and create chances for the team. It is very logical coz he simply doesn't posessed the excellent defensive qualities like Carsley but he has an asset of defense splitting passes, pace, dribbling skills and good long range shot. These are the qualities of a good ATT midfielder so he should be given this role. So i feel positioning plays a part in Manny's performance.
Yes, I agree too that Manny has this habbit of being quiet in most part of a game and not contributing more to the team. This, I hope Moyes can talk sense into him and change him. If not its not worth to pay for his permanant transfer fee.
Also, to all Manny's critics, lets give him the benefit of the doubts...Maybe his crime problem back in Valencia is making him unable to concentrate. Give him some time and more games to improve. Hopefully he'll be the world class player we want to see!
Yes, I agree too that Manny has this habbit of being quiet in most part of a game and not contributing more to the team. This, I hope Moyes can talk sense into him and change him. If not its not worth to pay for his permanant transfer fee.
Also, to all Manny's critics, lets give him the benefit of the doubts...Maybe his crime problem back in Valencia is making him unable to concentrate. Give him some time and more games to improve. Hopefully he'll be the world class player we want to see!
monty
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Against Reading no one could tell where he was supposed to be playing, not even Moyes hence he was taken off at h/t.
I am one of his critics, I want him to succeed but I am entitled to say if i think he is failing, which he most assuredly is at present.
There is a continual line of excuses being offered for him, he isn't fit, he has police trouble, he is not used to our game so give him time, lets get this straight:
1 If he wasn't fit it was his fault as he had been training all season in Spain. I am certain that David Moyes would never have played him in midfield if he hadn't been assessed as fit by the coaches. I've also seen that he played two games last week, a case of mistaken identity, one was the other Fernandes from citeh. When he was here last year I questioned his stamina then because he disappeared so often, I've seen nothing to quell those fears
2 His trouble in Spain is unlikely to go to court, if it does then it will be his brother who is charged. Why that should have such a drastic effect on him for 90 mins on a football pitch is beyond me. Football should be a release from that type of worry, why should EFC pay the price
3 He is not used to our style of play, ffs he asked to come back here because our style of play was more suited to his game than what he encountered in Spain.
This young man needs to get himself sorted and quickly if there is to be any chance of EFC spending up to or over £10 mil on him, he is just not worth it and has about 15 games in which to do it, less than half a season and of course the Pieman will be back. Just look at Pienaar the enthuisiam, verve and skill he brings to the side for the full ninety minutes, he makes Manny seem like a bad joke.
Put yourself in Moyes shoes, you need a new Carsley, and new RB, a wide player with limited resources, would you buy him, no way based on what we've seen to date.
Just in case anyone may think I believe there is no hope for Fernandes then you are wrong, I believe in the training skills of David Moyes but by jove he has his work cut out with this one.
I was talking over the whole season, the other 2 mentioned have contributed heavily to our season wereas MF hasnt contributed anything
kenada_blue
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First time on these boards (I read it all the time when I'm dodging work, which I am now hehe).
Anyway, about Fernandes' position. I remember going to see the last home game of last season against Pompy when for the 1st half Fernandes was playing in the postion he's been in lately - either behind or along with Carsley. We played rubbish. 2nd half Fernandes was pushed further up and we were a different team - great passing, one twos with Manny and Arteta linking up beautifully. We won the game 3-0. The same thing happened against Arsenal and ManUre last season (we inploded 2nd half of that game though), the more he pushed up, the better he looked.
IMO he's not an attacking midfielder, but what he is is a pure central midfielder who puts people into play, can beat players and open up space for the attacking players to run into. But he can also be a threat going forward and has a wicked shot on him - I feel he can be lethal outside the box, something Carsely is hit and miss at.
He's different to the comparrison to Makalele in that Makalele can tackle, can pass, and has skill and is/was world class at. Fernandes aint strong enough to get stuck in, although he tries. I think Moyes is doing the sqaure peg in a round hole trick he did with Jags earlier in the season. Jags disappeared most of the time he played Defensive Mid but at Center Back he's looking like a rock - he even says its his prefered position, almost hinting the DM position aint for him.
When Moyes realises how to utilise Manny, pushing him up more and just keeping Casrley in and around the half way line (if he keeps playing a defensive mid) you'll get the player we all know he is.
Hopefully Manny will step up big time against Brann on Wednesday, he really needs to and Moyes should let him know that.
Anyway, about Fernandes' position. I remember going to see the last home game of last season against Pompy when for the 1st half Fernandes was playing in the postion he's been in lately - either behind or along with Carsley. We played rubbish. 2nd half Fernandes was pushed further up and we were a different team - great passing, one twos with Manny and Arteta linking up beautifully. We won the game 3-0. The same thing happened against Arsenal and ManUre last season (we inploded 2nd half of that game though), the more he pushed up, the better he looked.
IMO he's not an attacking midfielder, but what he is is a pure central midfielder who puts people into play, can beat players and open up space for the attacking players to run into. But he can also be a threat going forward and has a wicked shot on him - I feel he can be lethal outside the box, something Carsely is hit and miss at.
He's different to the comparrison to Makalele in that Makalele can tackle, can pass, and has skill and is/was world class at. Fernandes aint strong enough to get stuck in, although he tries. I think Moyes is doing the sqaure peg in a round hole trick he did with Jags earlier in the season. Jags disappeared most of the time he played Defensive Mid but at Center Back he's looking like a rock - he even says its his prefered position, almost hinting the DM position aint for him.
When Moyes realises how to utilise Manny, pushing him up more and just keeping Casrley in and around the half way line (if he keeps playing a defensive mid) you'll get the player we all know he is.
Hopefully Manny will step up big time against Brann on Wednesday, he really needs to and Moyes should let him know that.
Very good post kenada, welcome to the forums mate 
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