Ferguson

[Tramps_mate]

He's not homeless mate. A guy in the video comments, I believe, explains it - he's insane and actually basically wanted.

They are, for me, too quick to fire, but this definitely has a massive tone of racism in it, as Jdawg and others have said.

Also re: "a thief" - no actual evidence of that, in fact evidence of the exact opposite.

There's a video of him shoving over the store owner who's trying to stop him from leaving for supposedly stealing stuff..

 

[red1]

Your understanding

It's quite a long post that doesn't really address anything of relevance. Why was a racist wannabe-cop prosecutor appointed first of all? Why was the prosecution guiding Wilson's answers? Why did he make that absolutely ridiculous press conference? Why wasn't police procedure followed after the shooting, immediately cordoning off the crime scene, collecting and protecting evidence etc. Why wasn't the investigator doing his job properly, even claimed his battery ran out so he couldn't take certain pictures of the crime scene? The case gets more laughable the more you read into it and unless you're prepared to do the PR work for Wilson and somehow give us the answers to these questions I suggest you pipe down.

 

[BBleck]

It's quite a long post that doesn't really address anything of relevance. Why was a racist wannabe-cop prosecutor appointed first of all? Why was the prosecution guiding Wilson's answers? Why did he make that absolutely ridiculous press conference? Why wasn't police procedure followed after the shooting, immediately cordoning off the crime scene, collecting and protecting evidence etc. Why wasn't the investigator doing his job properly, even claimed his battery ran out so he couldn't take certain pictures of the crime scene? The case gets more laughable the more you read into it and unless you're prepared to do the PR work for Wilson and somehow give us the answers to these questions I suggest you pipe down.

Sure I'll pipe down and let you explain how it all goes since your mate is into studying law and will supply us with all the links we need.

 

[moyeslovechild]

Good to see the bloke whose store got robbed by Michael Brown got what was coming to him.

 

[Fuleco]

Did you see the video of the 12 year old getting killed by the policeman last week?

That was straight up murder, insane that this is going on in 2014.

 

[L4Everton]

Cop has gun drawn at wheel of police car, kid goes for gun out of holster, through window of car.
Cop gets out of car and kid runs away.
Cop raises gun and takes aim at kid.
Kid turns around and charges like an NFL defensive lineback at cop with gun drawn.

Cop aims at head, fires and hits head.

I had to kill him, conscience clear.

 

[DanEFC92]

Hearing Darren Wilson quit the police force, and also got $500k for one of his interviews.

 

[Tubey]

Good to see the bloke whose store got robbed by Michael Brown got what was coming to him.

It was the polices fault (tm).

 

[Fuleco]

@Tubey why are you so pro police in this situation?

 

[riddick]

@Tubey why are you so pro police in this situation?

I absolutely hate the police. They usually overstep their boundaries in just about every aspect of their existence. But in no way, shape or form do i think this is a guy who did anything wrong.



In fact, on a personal note, [Poor language removed] Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for making this 'anything'. They tried and failed with George Zimmerman even tho he was Hispanic. They literally only exist to make conditions between white and black people worse.

 

[Elong]

I absolutely hate the police. They usually overstep their boundaries in just about every aspect of their existence.

That's one hell of a sweeping generalisation there, would you mind backing those statements up with some facts?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Eric Garner, a black man, was apprehended by NYPD officers who suspected him of selling cigarettes on a street corner. Per reports, he told them "he wasn't selling cigarettes" and was "tired of being harassed for being black," at which point the officers arrested him, first by pulling him to the ground and putting him in a choke hold. The officers suffocated and killed Garner, who was pronounced dead within the hour.

A grand jury decided not to indict the officer(s).

The protests in Ferguson and other cities are about brown, not Brown. If you can't see that, take another look.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/n...land-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0

Wave of Protests After Grand Jury Doesn’t Indict Officer in Eric Garner Chokehold Case

A Staten Island grand jury on Wednesday ended the criminal case against a white New York police officer whose chokehold on an unarmed black man led to the man’s death, a decision that drew condemnation from elected officials and touched off a wave of protests.

The fatal encounter in July was captured on videos and seen around the world. But after viewing the footage and hearing from witnesses, including the officer who used the chokehold, the jurors deliberated for less than a day before deciding that there was not enough evidence to go forward with charges against the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, 29, in the death of the man, Eric Garner, 43.

Officer Pantaleo, who has been on the force for eight years, appeared before the grand jury on Nov. 21, testifying that he did not intend to choke Mr. Garner, who was being arrested for allegedly selling loose cigarettes. He described the maneuver as a takedown move, adding that he never thought Mr. Garner was in mortal danger.

The decision came barely a week after a grand jury found no criminality in the actions of another white police officer, Darren Wilson, who shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old black man in Ferguson, Mo.
After the news from Staten Island, a wave of elected officials renewed calls for Justice Department intervention, saying the grand jury’s finding proved that justice could be found only in the federal courts. By the evening, the department announced it would open a civil rights inquiry.

On the streets of the city, from Tompkinsville to Times Square, many expressed their outrage with some of the last words Mr. Garner uttered before being wrestled to the ground: “This stops today,” people chanted. “I can’t breathe,” others shouted.

While hundreds of angry but generally peaceful demonstrators took to the streets in Manhattan as well as in Washington and other cities, the police in New York reported relatively few arrests, a stark contrast to the riots that unfolded in Ferguson in the hours after the grand jury decision was announced in the Brown case.

President Obama, speaking in Washington, said the decisions in New York and Missouri highlighted the frustrations that many African-Americans have harbored about a legal system that has a long history of discrimination against black people.

“When anybody in this country is not being treated equally under the law, that is a problem,” Mr. Obama said, “and it’s my job as president to help solve it.”
Officer Pantaleo said in statement on Wednesday that he felt “very bad about the death of Mr. Garner,” just as he had told the 23 panelists of the grand jury when he testified before them for two hours.

During the proceedings, jurors were shown three videos of the encounter, and in his testimony Officer Pantaleo sought to characterize his actions as a maneuver taught at the Police Academy. He said that while holding onto Mr. Garner, he felt fear that they would crash through a plate glass storefront as they tumbled to the ground, said Stuart London, his lawyer. One of the officer’s arms went around Mr. Garner’s throat, as Mr. Garner repeatedly said, “I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe.”

Appearing with the Rev. Al Sharpton in Harlem, Mr. Garner’s widow, Esaw Garner, said she did not accept the officer’s apology.

“Hell, no,” Ms. Garner said. “The time for remorse for the death of my husband was when he was yelling to breathe.”

She said that while she mourned, the officer could go home to his family.
“He’s still feeding his kids,” she said, “and my husband is six feet under and I’m looking for a way to feed my kids now.”

Mayor Bill de Blasio, speaking on Staten Island, said that it was a “deeply emotional day” for the Garner family and all New Yorkers, and that he had thought of his own son in considering Mr. Garner’s fate. But he implored demonstrators to voice their outrage peacefully and not engage in the destructive violence that followed protests in Ferguson over Mr. Brown’s death.

“Today’s outcome is one that many in our city did not want,” Mr. de Blasio said. “Yet New York City owns a proud and powerful tradition of expressing ourselves through nonviolent protest.”

An autopsy by the city’s medical examiner found that Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide resulting from the chokehold — a maneuver banned by the Police Department in 1993 — and the compression of his chest by police officers.

In early September, the Staten Island district attorney, Daniel M. Donovan Jr., impaneled the grand jury to weigh evidence; it heard testimony from the officers involved and 22 civilian witnesses. All of the officers, with the exception of Officer Pantaleo, were granted immunity.
The encounter exposed apparent lapses in police tactics and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers involved, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint voiced by local business owners.

He expressed his condolences to the family and said his office conducted a thorough investigation that “spanned four months.”

“I assured the public that I was committed to a fair, thorough, and responsible investigation into Mr. Garner’s death,” he said.

Grand juries determine whether enough evidence exists for a case to go forward to a criminal trial, either before a jury or a judge. By law, they operate in secret and hear only evidence presented by prosecutors, who also instruct the grand jurors on the law. Defense lawyers are barred from speaking. For a decision, 12 jurors who have heard all of the evidence must agree.

While the exact makeup of the grand jury was unclear, Mr. London said it was roughly half white, with the other half evenly divided among blacks and Hispanics.

With the criminal phase over, Officer Pantaleo’s fate moves into the realm of Police Department discipline. It is far from clear if he will return to enforcement duties, and Commissioner William J. Bratton said he would remain on suspension pending an internal investigation.

Even before Mr. Garner’s death, Mr. Bratton had been tasked by the mayor with repairing the fissures between the police and the communities they serve, moving away from street stops and minor marijuana arrests. Those changes, however, have yet to quell the anger that deaths such as Mr. Garner’s bring forth.

 

[mezzrow]

There is a stark contrast for me between the Ferguson scenario and the events in Staten Island.

In Ferguson, a series of random events brought two individuals together. In their encounter, one responded to requests for conforming to authority with verbal abuse and a physical attack, to the point that the person in authority was left struggling with a weapon in a life and death situation. Ask any cop about the subject of hanging on to his weapon. After the encounter in the car, one was bound to pursue and the other to get away. When the attacker turned to attack his pursuer, he was gunned down because he made it clear that if he reached the policeman, he would kill him if he could. This is what I believe, and if you don't, then fine. This seems to conform to the physical evidence at the scene. These questions have nothing to do with race, which is the macguffin in this tale. Race is being harvested in this case for power and control of other unrelated matters. There is much stored energy in the resentment of black America to local police, pretty universally. This energy is being cashed in for the benefit of individuals like Al Sharpton, etc.

In Staten Island, a squad of police were apprehending an individual for the express purpose of enforcing a low level tax law placed on the exchange of commerce in a commodity that is harvested to gain funds to pay the officers that made the arrest, as well as all other functions of the city and state governments of the state of New York. This man died for selling "loosies". Check how much the cost of a pack of Camels goes to taxes in NYC. Again, the man's size enters into the equation. When smaller guys have to bring in a big guy, they get nervous and tend to overreact. The interface between police and citizen is fraught with danger to both. In this case, Mr. Garner was killed by the act of apprehension, though no shots were fired, and we have a partial record of the event on video.

I am appalled by the second scenario due to the actions of the police and the government in enforcing the law in this manner. Could they just write the guy a ticket? Why do they have to haul him in and book him for loosies? Really? Never forget that government is force, when you get right down to it. The "will of the people" is applied by force, irrespective of the legitimacy of that will. When government is applied in areas where the market and commerce can better serve the needs of society (why must government build such a structure to harvest the vices of its own citizens?) we have appalling tragedies such as the those we see in NYC.

I am appalled in the first scenario by the actions of the poor dumb barsteward that got himself gunned down in the middle of the street like a rabid dog.

Why do I identify with the victim in NYC, but the policeman in Ferguson? Must be racism, I guess.

Eh?

In that case, let me ask this racist question - why did Garner get killed over loosies while Al Sharpton clearly owes something on the order of four and a half million dollars in unpaid taxes to the government, yet appears on TV every day as a representative of "his people"? Acquaint yourself, if you will, with Mr. Sharpton's history from Tawana Brawley forward, and the lives he has wrecked and/or ended by his provocations over the past thirty years. Yet, he must be given a seat at the table of America's elite class.

The key is that you are in jeopardy when you never know which laws are going to be enforced from day to day, or how they are going to be enforced. This tendency increases when laws and bureaucracies increase to the point that no individual can keep track of it, either within or outside of the government itself. Smaller government is better government. Race will be used here to write more laws, find more taxes to enforce them, and dig that hole a little bit deeper. When this happens long enough, the law is held in further contempt and increasingly observed in its breach.

Okay, I'm done.

 

[Moomin]

There is a stark contrast for me between the Ferguson scenario and the events in Staten Island.

In Ferguson, a series of random events brought two individuals together. In their encounter, one responded to requests for conforming to authority with verbal abuse and a physical attack, to the point that the person in authority was left struggling with a weapon in a life and death situation. Ask any cop about the subject of hanging on to his weapon. After the encounter in the car, one was bound to pursue and the other to get away. When the attacker turned to attack his pursuer, he was gunned down because he made it clear that if he reached the policeman, he would kill him if he could. This is what I believe, and if you don't, then fine. This seems to conform to the physical evidence at the scene. These questions have nothing to do with race, which is the macguffin in this tale. Race is being harvested in this case for power and control of other unrelated matters. There is much stored energy in the resentment of black America to local police, pretty universally. This energy is being cashed in for the benefit of individuals like Al Sharpton, etc.

In Staten Island, a squad of police were apprehending an individual for the express purpose of enforcing a low level tax law placed on the exchange of commerce in a commodity that is harvested to gain funds to pay the officers that made the arrest, as well as all other functions of the city and state governments of the state of New York. This man died for selling "loosies". Check how much the cost of a pack of Camels goes to taxes in NYC. Again, the man's size enters into the equation. When smaller guys have to bring in a big guy, they get nervous and tend to overreact. The interface between police and citizen is fraught with danger to both. In this case, Mr. Garner was killed by the act of apprehension, though no shots were fired, and we have a partial record of the event on video.

I am appalled by the second scenario due to the actions of the police and the government in enforcing the law in this manner. Could they just write the guy a ticket? Why do they have to haul him in and book him for loosies? Really? Never forget that government is force, when you get right down to it. The "will of the people" is applied by force, irrespective of the legitimacy of that will. When government is applied in areas where the market and commerce can better serve the needs of society (why must government build such a structure to harvest the vices of its own citizens?) we have appalling tragedies such as the those we see in NYC.

I am appalled in the first scenario by the actions of the poor dumb barsteward that got himself gunned down in the middle of the street like a rabid dog.

Why do I identify with the victim in NYC, but the policeman in Ferguson? Must be racism, I guess.

Eh?

In that case, let me ask this racist question - why did Garner get killed over loosies while Al Sharpton clearly owes something on the order of four and a half million dollars in unpaid taxes to the government, yet appears on TV every day as a representative of "his people"? Acquaint yourself, if you will, with Mr. Sharpton's history from Tawana Brawley forward, and the lives he has wrecked and/or ended by his provocations over the past thirty years. Yet, he must be given a seat at the table of America's elite class.

The key is that you are in jeopardy when you never know which laws are going to be enforced from day to day, or how they are going to be enforced. This tendency increases when laws and bureaucracies increase to the point that no individual can keep track of it, either within or outside of the government itself. Smaller government is better government. Race will be used here to write more laws, find more taxes to enforce them, and dig that hole a little bit deeper. When this happens long enough, the law is held in further contempt and increasingly observed in its breach.

Okay, I'm done.

You want the police to kill Al Sharpton for unpaid tax?

 

[sageyefc]

You want the police to kill Al Sharpton for unpaid tax?

Al Sharptons a massive Racist bellend