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Ferguson
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orly
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but there are powerful enough ethnic minority bodies to produce and finance these studies; if they don't exist, why don't they produce one themselves?
interaction with minorities? communities who refuse to cooperate with the police regardless of any initiatives? A community represented at the very, very peak of modern politics?
It's absolute tosh. This case is not To Kill a Mockingbird for 2014 - it's a community who couldn't respect the judgements of a court of law having been frenzied by dreadful sensationalised media coverage, and responded by going on a rampage.
Because the data does not exist. The police do not have to report it. Thus the only place the data exists is in new reports. There are people beginning studies to collect this data now, but it will be incomplete because it depends on the news covering it.
Communities refuse to cooperate with the police? The police that actively target those communities with policies like Stop and Frisk? This is once again attacking the symptom of the problem. The problem is economic disparity and social disparity which has led to disenfranchised minority communities.
Ignoring the real problem is only going to lead to greater and greater social tension until it explodes.
Rioters should be punished, and many of them are probably just trying to loot and pillage. But if you cannot see the very real reasons that there is anger towards the justice system, then I really can't help you.
Systemic racism; whether intentional or not, it's just the same.
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Absolute keyword blabble that last paragraph. Whole communities such as Chinese migrants have "enfranchised" themselves - it's absolute garbage to claim, particularly in America, that these 'communities" have been abandoned and enslaved by their "disparities". It is complete and utter rubbish. Have opportunities not been seized or squandered? Certainly, on a massive scale. Upwardly mobile individuals from these communities are mocked and made to be pariahs - fantastic.
why are these communities more likely to be stopped and frisked? it's not because America's law enforcement community are a walking UKIP Purple Aki fan club, but because they are statistically more likely to discover illegality. Now, do we not circulate these stats because the "community" doesn't like them?
Ok mate.
Let's ignore the differences between social groups, ignore years of systemic racism and prejudice and pretend that it's entirely the fault of the people at the receiving end of it. That means we don't have to do anything about it, right?
This is proven untrue. Whites are more likely to smoke marijuana than blacks. Yet blacks make up most of the arrests.
Why do you think that is?
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Complete and utter misrepresentation of what I have said.
If communities are going to ignore the outcomes of an appointed court of law, and turn to lawlessness, we should turn a blind eye because hey, they are poor and disenfranchised and don't have access to free school education to move themselves onwards... Oh no hang on wait, they do, and other much smaller communities have managed. Oh look, the most powerful political figure in the country is from an ethnic minority. Oh and hang on, the most culturally influential woman in the country is from an ethnic minority. And arguably the most culturally influential sports stars are from an ethnic minority.... And so on and so forth.
Systemic racism and prejudice? Does this not exist amongst ethnic minority groups too? Or do we call this a happy sanitised version of "slightly miffed but justifiably so after years of being disenfranchised". The community in Ferguson could have organised a peaceful protest, appealed, lobbied, put forward better evidence - and yet key community figures decided that rampage and destruction was the correct response.
A community must trust in its government to be expected not to ignore the outcome of an appointed court of law. Years of distrust have arisen due to escalation on both sides of the equation. This is what needs to change. Rather than take every incident as a singular case, we need to take them in a pattern. Don't lose track of the forest through the trees, as it were. As such, we need to find out why this particular minority group has so little faith in the system.
You mention things like free schooling, but ignore that schooling in predominantly black areas is statistically awful compared to free schooling in white areas. You ignore that wealth begets wealth and that people coming from a stable economic household are more likely to achieve in school and to swerve crime. The communities can't be expected to just make themselves richer and better educated. The system itself needs to address the problems of income disparity.
I've said repeatedly through this thread the I believe to core issue is one of class, not race. Black people are generally poor, additionally you can see that they're black (unlike poor whites). Poor people are more apt to turn to crime in the face of hopelessness. White people are more likely to see a black person and see a criminal. It's not even seeing the color. Anymore than seeing a white guy that's filthy and bearded and in ratty clothes is seeing the color. It's seeing the class and the fear of crime.
But we can't sit here and say, "how dare those people that have so many less opportunities in life do things I wouldn't do" without questioning why they're doing it, critically, and trying to solve the problem going forward. Writing them all off as criminals and lawless rampagers does no one any favors except the people that aren't affected by any of it anyway.
I highly recommend a review of the link below:
https://storify.com/jose_galvan/ways-to-make-white-people-take-racism-seriously-an
https://storify.com/jose_galvan/ways-to-make-white-people-take-racism-seriously-an
Wonderful link and I completely agree with what is being said.
It is no individual persons fault that the system is how it is. It is not something that can really be changed at an individual level - black or white. But it is something that needs to be discussed openly as a society and something we need to work to improve.
While I have been more than critical of our system and law enforcement in this thread - I do not deny that there absolutely are race-baiting people (like Rev. Al) that take advantage of these situations. They are best ignored while the real issues are addressed. Just because there are 'moderated words' out there, does not mean that we should ignore real systemic problems in our society. It does no one any good...except the 'moderated words'.
Nailed it.
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The blacks sell it ? ........
How many race riots have taken place by Chinese in America because a Policeman has shot a Chinese man ?...I'm assuming at least one Chinese man has been shot, or do the White policemen only hate black people........
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