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[The binman chronicles]

Here you go mate...

























Think that's all of them

I take umbrage at the spaceism on show in this post.

Spaces should not be used willy nilly, they are a proud character and thus should be treated with the respect they deserve.

 

[dead_soft]

Because what you're writing highlights the problem with everything else you write.

And once again, I'm able to do it here. That bold bit is a disastrous position to have and completely undermines everything you say.

You see it as me attacking you - I'm not; I'm labelling you by using your own words. You have no interest - none whatsoever - in the opinion of anyone who don't agree with you. You've said it twice in the last two posts. You're saying it; I'm reiterating it.

Nope, not a disastrous opinion. I listen regularly to people I disagree with. I just don’t think everyone who disagrees has to be listened to. It’s stupid to suggest they do

You’re obsessed with categorising everyone who thinks your centrism is silly as unable to listen to others

 

[Zezti]

Have I been mishearing things or has Kamala Harris been described as a 'woman of color' all through the elections? I was not aware that some considered 'color/colour' to be offensive.

Reading up on it a bit...

Person of color - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Martin Luther King Jr himself used the term 'Citizens of color'
The reason it became a more used term: "Both anti-racist activists and academics sought to move the understanding of race beyond the black-white dichotomy then prevalent."

Reasoning for not saying it: "Many critics, both whites and non-whites, of the term object to its lack of specificity and find the phrase racially offensive.[32] It has been argued that the term lessens the focus on individual issues facing different racial and ethnic groups.[33] Preserving "whiteness" as an in-tact category while lumping every other racial group into an indiscriminate category ("of color") can replicate the very marginalization the term was intended to counter."

However, "The phrase "women of color" was developed and introduced for wide use by a group of black women activists at the National Women's Conference in 1977.[21] The phrase was used as a method of communicating solidarity between non-white women that was, according to Loretta Ross, not based on "biological destiny" but instead a political act of naming themselves"

But saying 'person of color' is apparently different to saying 'coloured person', especially in this country:

Colored - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In British usage, the term refers to "a person who is wholly or partly of non-white descent" and its use may be regarded as antiquated or offensive"


So at the end of the day, I guess just say 'black, asian or minority ethinicity' and dodge any word comes to mind that seems to flow better.

 

[Alan Whittle]

centrism is silly

Yes, because what we really need right now is more polarity and extremism. Working together? Collaboration? Give a little to get a little?
Are you kidding? It’s a well known fact that pure principle is the only thing that drives progress in the world today.

 

[dead_soft]

Yes, because what we really need right now is more polarity and extremism. Working together? Collaboration? Give a little to get a little?
Are you kidding? It’s a well known fact that pure principle is the only thing that drives progress in the world today.

Centrism isn’t any of those things. It’s the dogmatism that has been in the middle of the last few decades of political thought and any deviation from it has been met with sharp criticism

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Lots about this campaign just being about PR for the FA, and he completely goes against the principles of Kick it out and general diversity which is not even two weeks old.

Aged white gammon gets caught out....

FA launches new Football Leadership Diversity Code

The FA has launched the Football Leadership Diversity Code, a new initiative to drive diversity and inclusion across English football.

www.kickitout.org

 

[Alan Whittle]

Centrism isn’t any of those things. It’s the dogmatism that has been in the middle of the last few decades of political thought and any deviation from it has been met with sharp criticism

Dogmatism is anything anyone disagrees with. Wearing face masks has been called dogmatism. You clearly would prefer authoritarian polarity and you’re welcome to it.

 

[dead_soft]

Dogmatism is anything anyone disagrees with. Wearing face masks has been called dogmatism. You clearly would prefer authoritarian polarity and you’re welcome to it.

Never said that. Not thinking every argument should be listened to is not dogmatism, it’s practical.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Never said that. Not thinking every argument should be listened to is not dogmatism, it’s practical.

Just listen to the ones you like?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Centrism isn’t any of those things. It’s the dogmatism that has been in the middle of the last few decades of political thought and any deviation from it has been met with sharp criticism

The move away from centrism has allowed the divide to get worse not better if you hadn't noticed.

 

[dead_soft]

Just listen to the ones you like?

Nope, listen to many if you’ve got the chance. Don’t give equal weight to all sides.

 

[dead_soft]

The move away from centrism has allowed the divide to get worse not better if you hadn't noticed.

So? Why is agreement and a middle ground a good thing in and of itself?

And also, not sure that’s actually true.

It’s also got quite far away from the initial point of this thread - who wishes heads of organisations in the U.K. get to make racially insensitive remarks and get away with it?

 

[Alan Whittle]

Nope, listen to many if you’ve got the chance. Don’t give equal weight to all sides.

Is what we all tell ourselves. Reasonable, well balanced and in thrall to our prejudices.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So? Why is agreement and a middle ground a good thing in and of itself?

And also, not sure that’s actually true.

As the parties have shifted it has allowed the other side to become emboldened to shift further too. This ends up upsetting the balance further still, causing more hardship and oppression. This leads to more extreme characters and so on appearing in the public eye, the rise of populism and self harming exercises like brexit. If you think the last 10 years were better than the previous 10 then I would say you simply haven't been paying attention.

 

[dead_soft]

As the parties have shifted it has allowed the other side to become emboldened to shift further too. This ends up upsetting the balance further still, causing more hardship and oppression. This leads to more extreme characters and so on appearing in the public eye, the rise of populism and self harming exercises like brexit. If you think the last 10 years were better than the previous 10 then I would say you simply haven't been paying attention.

The decades don’t exist in insolation. They lead on to each other