FA....

[Tubey]

Oh come on.

Its not outrage, its astonishment that the chair of the FA is so out of touch with some really important things that the wider game, and society, are trying hard to address, displayed the very ingrained traits that are so wrong.

Its a massive sigh and face palm.

I agree. But should he have lost his job over it after correcting and apologising immediately?

That's the problem - the ironic intolerance of it.

 

[TommyDavo]

Oh come on.

Its not outrage, its astonishment that the chair of the FA is so out of touch with some really important things that the wider game, and society, are trying hard to address, displayed the very ingrained traits that are so wrong.

Its a massive sigh and face palm.

So if he had said players of colour that would have been ok? Because people of colour seems to be the acceptable and used term by ermmm people of colour

 

[chrismpw]

I can't keep up. Please somebody put a list of politically correct approved adjectives that will offend NOBODY EVER, and are safe to use, here for reference.

And then come back every week and update them once somebody somewhere has managed to take offence at the new words.

 

[roydo]

I can't keep up. Please somebody put a list of politically correct approved adjectives that will offend NOBODY EVER, and are safe to use, here for reference.

And then come back every week and update them once somebody somewhere has managed to take offence at the new words.

I get that. I am unsure what is and what isnt acceptable/offensive.

But than I am not head of a football association that has put racism and inclusion and equality centre stage. If I was, I would have asked someone before I spoke to the Govt.

 

[dead_soft]

I get that. I am unsure what is and what isnt acceptable/offensive.

But than I am not head of a football association that has put racism and inclusion and equality centre stage. If I was, I would have asked someone before I spoke to the Govt.

This is the thing, it's really not that hard to not use offensive terms - most people do it most of the time. People also use language and terminology that they would only use in work quite easily - especially when in high level meetings.
He made three very clear, very obviously stupid points and he's resigned. I don't get why anyone starts classing this as some sort of intolerance. He obviously isn't equipped to do pretty basic parts of his job.

 

[dead_soft]

He used the outdated term whilst actually sticking up for black players but he apologised and explained that he used the term because of his work in the USA where the term is not frowned upon so that makes it very harsh IMO.

Oh well, even if they ain't qualified enough for the job at least it will give a non white person more of a chance of of getting a top job in what I would guess is a mainly white industry at that high level?

It's not a term you would go around using in the USA....

 

[tommye]

I can't keep up. Please somebody put a list of politically correct approved adjectives that will offend NOBODY EVER, and are safe to use, here for reference.

And then come back every week and update them once somebody somewhere has managed to take offence at the new words.

Here you go mate...

























Think that's all of them

 

[Tubey]

He used the outdated term whilst actually sticking up for black players but he apologised and explained that he used the term because of his work in the USA where the term is not frowned upon so that makes it very harsh IMO.

Oh well, even if they ain't qualified enough for the job at least it will give a non white person more of a chance of of getting a top job in what I would guess is a mainly white industry at that high level?

This is key. It's called context.

People increasingly have absolutely no ability to understand and apply it.

In the context of everything he's said there, life choices etc. etc. then he's right to resign.

But the media have picked up and ran with the one word that he corrected himself upon immediately and apologised for immediately. In context, it was clear no offence whatsoever was meant. But it was still enough for a man to lose his job.

People don't understand how dangerous this attitude is. They are creating an environment of fear and resentment. It is a form of cultural authoritarianism; I don't use that term lightly either, but it is authoritarianism by definition.

There will genuinely be thousands of people shaking their heads tonight at the process that has led to him losing his job - a verbal mistake, rectified in moments, yet overwhelmingly condemned and no apology would ever be enough to sate those wanting his blood.

 

[peteblue]

But if you were still running some big organisation, with a range of genders and race as employees, I would like to think you would verse yourself in the correct ways to refer to them.

And I would also doubt you would suggest that any gay or lesbian employees had made a lifestyle choice.

Then sit in front of a Commons panel, and show that in fact, you hadnt done any of that.

Don’t get me wrong, he is an idiot. But we all fail on occasions.....

 

[kev]

Awaits first sighting of John Barnes.

.............and as if by magic

Trending in United Kingdom
John Barnes

 

[dead_soft]

This is key. It's called context.

People increasingly have absolutely no ability to understand and apply it.

In the context of everything he's said there, life choices etc. etc. then he's right to resign.

But the media have picked up and ran with the one word that he corrected himself upon immediately and apologised for immediately. In context, it was clear no offence whatsoever was meant. But it was still enough for a man to lose his job.

People don't understand how dangerous this attitude is. They are creating an environment of fear and resentment. It is a form of cultural authoritarianism; I don't use that term lightly either, but it is authoritarianism by definition.

There will genuinely be thousands of people shaking their heads tonight at the process that has led to him losing his job - a verbal mistake, rectified in moments, yet overwhelmingly condemned and no apology would ever be enough to sate those wanting his blood.

You’ve said you think it’s right for him to resign. But then say people will be shaking their heads (as if that really matters). He resigned because it’s become clear he has not got the understanding or nuance to do his job if his multiple comments are anything to go by.
There is not a culture of cultural authoritarianism and it’s certainly not proven because a man resigned for suggesting being gay is a lifestyle, using the word coloured, and saying girls don’t like balls being kicked hard.
I’m not sure ‘apologising quickly’ gets you many stays of executions in the corporate world if you’ve done a sackable/resigning offence

 

[Tubey]

You’ve said you think it’s right for him to resign. But then say people will be shaking their heads (as if that really matters). He resigned because it’s become clear he has not got the understanding or nuance to do his job if his multiple comments are anything to go by.
There is not a culture of cultural authoritarianism and it’s certainly not proven because a man resigned for suggesting being gay is a lifestyle, using the word coloured, and saying girls don’t like balls being kicked hard.
I’m not sure ‘apologising quickly’ gets you many stays of executions in the corporate world if you’ve done a sackable/resigning offence

Sums up your mindset mate. You don't give a toss what people who don't think exactly as you do think.

But it matters, because what happens is irrational outrage breeds resentment, and resentment turns into the likes of Trump and Johnson winning elections.

It's called consequences.

 

[dead_soft]

Sums up your mindset mate. You don't give a toss what people who don't think exactly as you do think.

But it matters, because what happens is irrational outrage breeds resentment, and resentment turns into the likes of Trump and Johnson winning elections.

It's called consequences.

Odd how you keep doing this thing of attacking me and ignoring most of what’s written.

It doesn’t matter if people who are wrong think they’re are not wrong

 

[Tubey]

Odd how you keep doing this thing of attacking me and ignoring most of what’s written.

It doesn’t matter if people who are wrong think they’re are not wrong

Because what you're writing highlights the problem with everything else you write.

And once again, I'm able to do it here. That bold bit is a disastrous position to have and completely undermines everything you say.

You see it as me attacking you - I'm not; I'm labelling you by using your own words. You have no interest - none whatsoever - in the opinion of anyone who don't agree with you. You've said it twice in the last two posts. You're saying it; I'm reiterating it.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

Here you go mate...

























Think that's all of them

Fairly sure someone got offended by that comment. Watch out mate, your job's now on the line!