F1 2021

[Dylan]

Yeah I gotta say that Verstappen drove brilliantly, his snide block aside. Lewis went through the field like a hot knife through butter, but it took all of his skill and car advantage to finally wrestle the race away from Max.

IMO we are watching the current GOAT, and someone who may be his equal and has every chance to challenge him for that title in time.

Max is still is a very dirty racer, but there's no denying his talent. I really do hope that if there's another block like that the stewards heavily penilise him. He's got away with far too much through the course of his career.

As much as we don't like it, dirty racing is still racing. Senna was exceptionally dirty, as was Schumi.

 

[BNJ1878]

As much as we don't like it, dirty racing is still racing. Senna was exceptionally dirty, as was Schumi.

Absolutely, the difference today is pretty much everyone on the receiving end goes running to the stewards about it.

If things are in the rules, they need to be applied. If not, let them race.


Edit: just read that the onboard footage from Verstappen car wasn't available (convenient) during the in race review.

The FIA have requested it and will review once revieved. Not actually sure what difference it makes, unless RB deliberately held it claiming telemetry failure or something.

 

[Dylan]

Absolutely, the difference today is pretty much everyone on the receiving end goes running to the stewards about it.

If things are in the rules, they need to be applied. If not, let them race.


Edit: just read that the onboard footage from Verstappen car wasn't available (convenient) during the in race review.

The FIA have requested it and will review once revieved. Not actually sure what difference it makes, unless RB deliberately held it claiming telemetry failure or something.

AFAIK, the camera feeds don't go to the teams. They go to FIA/Race control/liberty media. So they only have enough bandwidth for 'x' amount, so don't monitor every camera's feed constantly. So they are likely waiting for the footage to be downloaded and reviewed that way I guess.......

 

[BNJ1878]

AFAIK, the camera feeds don't go to the teams. They go to FIA/Race control/liberty media. So they only have enough bandwidth for 'x' amount, so don't monitor every camera's feed constantly. So they are likely waiting for the footage to be downloaded and reviewed that way I guess.......

Makes sense. If there was a problem with the live feed you'd imagine they have some kind of onboard storage.

 

[longers]

He looked decent at times in F2 a couple seasons back but seat should have gone to Piastri tbh

 

[The binman chronicles]

Absolutely, the difference today is pretty much everyone on the receiving end goes running to the stewards about it.

If things are in the rules, they need to be applied. If not, let them race.

In my humble opinion what Max did is near enough one of those moments when Schumacher directly tried to stop an opponent at all costs (Hill '94 and Villeneuve '97), the only difference was it was a place that had plenty of run off.

It has to be a penalty, as in effect it allowed Verstappen to design a new corner with totally different entrance speed/apex and everything else that goes with it. He could challenge the corner by late breaking forcing Hamilton wide no problems, however he has to make the corner himself or at least a valid attempt to make it - for example if he arrived all locked up and end up going out of track limits, that is understandable. But if he does that then he is going to be slower out of the corner so it comes at a cost.

He's very lucky that Hamilton managed to avoid contact. The sport is becoming a farce, if we are to have tarmac run off areas then penalties need to be applied when someone uses it to cheat the very essence of the sport.

 

[BNJ1878]

In my humble opinion what Max did is near enough one of those moments when Schumacher directly tried to stop an opponent at all costs (Hill '94 and Villeneuve '97), the only difference was it was a place that had plenty of run off.

It has to be a penalty, as in effect it allowed Verstappen to design a new corner with totally different entrance speed/apex and everything else that goes with it. He could challenge the corner by late breaking forcing Hamilton wide no problems, however he has to make the corner himself or at least a valid attempt to make it - for example if he arrived all locked up and end up going out of track limits, that is understandable. But if he does that then he is going to be slower out of the corner so it comes at a cost.

He's very lucky that Hamilton managed to avoid contact. The sport is becoming a farce, if we are to have tarmac run off areas then penalties need to be applied when someone uses it to cheat the very essence of the sport.

They have said they may still impose sanctions after reviewing the footage.

I think that's probably wrong, but they were probably justified during the race for the reasons you mentioned.

Wrong or not, I'd love it to happen for Horners whining.

 

[Lapeno77]

 

[woomy]

There is no way he is going to get away with that. As easy a 5 second penalty you will ever see. Maybe more. So blatant.

 

[longers]

Thats quite clever from Verstappen. Didn't turn right or open the steering but never turned in enough initially to make the corner and only went close to full lock when he knew he had done enough to send Hamilton wide. I don't think he will get a penalty for it, too subtle.

 

[Tubey]

Thats quite clever from Verstappen. Didn't turn right or open the steering but never turned in enough initially to make the corner and only went close to full lock when he knew he had done enough to send Hamilton wide. I don't think he will get a penalty for it, too subtle.

Nothing subtle about it, it's crystal clear what he's done. As you say, he only turns 'properly' once he's shoved Hamilton off the track, which is a penalty, because he's doing it off the racing line and not taking the usual braking point - in footballing parlance, it's "playing the man not the ball".

The problem is, although Hamilton won and therefore it didn't matter on the day, the stewards have now set the precedent for Verstappen to do whatever he wants now.

You can argue that's good for the viewer, but it's also incredibly dangerous. The rules around this exist for a reason.

 

[longers]

Nothing subtle about it, it's crystal clear what he's done. As you say, he only turns 'properly' once he's shoved Hamilton off the track, which is a penalty, because he's doing it off the racing line and not taking the usual braking point - in footballing parlance, it's "playing the man not the ball".

The problem is, although Hamilton won and therefore it didn't matter on the day, the stewards have now set the precedent for Verstappen to do whatever he wants now.

You can argue that's good for the viewer, but it's also incredibly dangerous. The rules around this exist for a reason.

Its subtle enough to have fooled numerous people in the comments of the tweet and plenty of people on Autosport forums etc into thinking he didn't do it deliberately.

I think he will get away with it

 

[woomy]

Nah. Nothing subtle about it. I think if people take off rose tinted glasses for their particular fave driver and just look at it, it is clear.

Would max have seen Lewis? Yes. Did he drive on the racing line? No. By staying on the line he did, did he come off the track to gain an advantage? Yes. Did he force another driver off the track by taking a line he shouldn't have? Yes. Was it dangerous? Could have been.

It's a penalty. It just is. No matter who you support.i like the battle between them and the teams. Has made it an exciting season. But a line was crossed this time. My view is max tried to take Lewis out of the race. Maybe even hoping for a collision. It would certainly have favoured red bull if it had happened.

 

[longers]

Giovenazzi has signed up for Indycar next season.

Thats now Grosjean, Gio, Erricson and possibly Albon who will be competing in it next season. Good to see F1 drivers moving over to Indycar, great series.

 

[The binman chronicles]

The point Max starts to wind full lock to make the turn! While I disagree with @longers as I call that fairly blatant rather than subtle, I agree that he will probably escape a penalty as he didn't steer right at any point into Lewis to make it look more a deliberate action of forcing him off the road. He'll say he overcooked it and the rear was too unstable to turn any further and any quicker than he did.

It is a slam dunk 'in race' penalty imho but I don't think they have the balls to change the Brazilian GP race result after the event or penalise him for Qatar without the holding of the smoking gun* evidence.

*It does depend on the throttle telemetry though too. If he jammed it on at a moment where he shouldn't have then that could be thrown into the mix for the deliberate action.