Everton's Age Profile

[SerenityNigh]

Currently this is GK included. I could relatively easily break it down by position, and get a mean age for each team and plot that on a scatter maybe.

I'd like to compare to past seasons but as yet haven't found a reliable source that gives minutes played for each player. I've found apps but that doesn't give as clear a picture.

As an outsider who's used to good data, I'm amazed at how exceptionally poor the data in football is. Hopefully, some of that will change soon.

https://fbref.com

(although I think they've missed their target for opening the database)

 

[Brisan123]

Love this sort of thing!

It’s similar in a way to the APLT in a weird sort of way
Some lads have too much time on their hands

 

[Zatara]

We absolutely need to be doing this too and this is what Everton have done well. Allardyce is lucky because if he’d gone into any other club outside the top 6 with 6 first team players missing he’d be in trouble. Here he’s had Holgate Kenny Davies and Calvert Lewin to come straight into the first team and Lookman an Vlasic to support.

It doesn’t get away from the fact though that we are having to turn to the kids because what should be our big gun players at their peak are either injured (Bolasie Coleman Barkley Funes Mori) or are not in form (Keane Klaasen Schneiderlin). In my opinion only when we have that balanced squad will we be able to compete like we have before across multiple comps. Players at their peak have the correct blend of power pace hunger and experience.

Where your strategy falls down is that whilst we wait for these kids to hit their peak the big clubs just wait for us to finish their development and take them. Holgate will be on the radar of every top club if he keeps up this form: young English centreback good on the ball fast and versatile across the back line? Gold dust.

Then we have to start all over again.

As a team we should have the captain of ROI as our RB, England international Keane partnering Argentinian international Mori, LB is a problem area.

Senegalese international Gueye with French international Schneiderlin and Dutch international Klaassen. Iceland international Siggurdson, Rooney and Belgian international Mirallas upfront.

On paper that is what our first team of players should be. Highly experienced internationals in their primes.

Instead it’s nowhere near that due to injuries and poor form.

In my eyes that’s the challenge facing Allardyce, either rehabilitate the above players or move them out and get better ones in. Teams of old lags and young players (no matter how good they might be) don’t often win many trophies without some big gun players to build around.

if we're just going off 'international caps' then yes that makes sense but for a club of our current premier league standing...whats the point?

We would end up finishing 7th each season (with the possibility of higher if a superior squad of players fell short).

In my mind even if we had 'excellent' young players they would still not see as much game time as we could offer them while still finishing 7th.

The way forward (in my view) is to build the very best squad of players with Keane (25 at season end) and Pickford (24 at season end) being the seniors.

Of course we should still aspire to sign one player each season who is in or approaching their peak years e.g Sigurdsson to ensure we finish 6 or better each season.

What we would then have (in principle) in 3 seasons time would be a core group of players aged 22-28 and experienced players 31+

Logically due to our 'continued' investment in young players we would in fact have 3 brackets;

21 and under
22-28
31+

That's the way forward, in my view.

 

[Goat]

if we're just going off 'international caps' then yes that makes sense but for a club of our current premier league standing...whats the point?

We would end up finishing 7th each season (with the possibility of higher if a superior squad of players fell short).

In my mind even if we had 'excellent' young players they would still not see as much game time as we could offer them while still finishing 7th.

The way forward (in my view) is to build the very best squad of players with Keane (25 at season end) and Pickford (24 at season end) being the seniors.

Of course we should still aspire to sign one player each season who is in or approaching their peak years e.g Sigurdsson to ensure we finish 6 or better each season.

What we would then have (in principle) in 3 seasons time would be a core group of players aged 22-28 and experienced players 31+

Logically due to our 'continued' investment in young players we would in fact have 3 brackets;

21 and under
22-28
31+

That's the way forward, in my view.

Isnt that we are already doing??

lol

 

[Zatara]

Isnt that we are already doing??

lol

hence the word 'continued'...

I think weve gone for too many players over 25 though...

Schneiderlin
Gana
Williams
Bolasie
Sigurdsson

For the money spent on Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie we could have signed a couple of exceptional players in a younger age bracket.

 

[Nymzee]

hence the word 'continued'...

I think weve gone for too many players over 25 though...

Schneiderlin
Gana
Williams
Bolasie
Sigurdsson

For the money spent on Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie we could have signed a couple of exceptional players in a younger age bracket.

You do realise all these 'younger exceptional players' will have suitors far better than us and the chances of them wanting to come here would be slim?

Plus why inc. Gana (undeniable success) and Sig (will be a success) in the list of too many 25+ players? I'm 26 and you make me feel ancient on this forum.

 

[Goat]

hence the word 'continued'...

I think weve gone for too many players over 25 though...

Schneiderlin
Gana
Williams
Bolasie
Sigurdsson

For the money spent on Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie we could have signed a couple of exceptional players in a younger age bracket.

We could have also just set fire to the money, which is basically what you do when you buy young players.

I give you Renato Sanches as a prime example of such foly.

You clearly wont agree, but at least none of those players are utter garbo, buying young players is a complete lottery.

 

[Azzurri]

hence the word 'continued'...

I think weve gone for too many players over 25 though...

Schneiderlin
Gana
Williams
Bolasie
Sigurdsson

For the money spent on Schneiderlin, Williams and Bolasie we could have signed a couple of exceptional players in a younger age bracket.

Like who? Genuine question, like.

 

[Goat]

Like who? Genuine question, like.

Oh good God, why would even ask such a question, hes gonna name every single player under the age of 20 in world football.

 

[Zatara]

You do realise all these 'younger exceptional players' will have suitors far better than us and the chances of them wanting to come here would be slim?

Plus why inc. Gana (undeniable success) and Sig (will be a success) in the list of too many 25+ players? I'm 26 and you make me feel ancient on this forum.

This is where risk/reward comes in...Lautaro Martinez, Hirving Lozano, Ryan Sessegnon...why would any of these 3 want to join the club...game time and development.

The hope is that in 3 seasons (for example) the players develop through consistent games to break into the top 4.

The 2 players you mention are showing that theyre very good. I'm merely commenting on age brackets which is the topic of the thread...

As for being 26, wait till you reach 30...you'll start noticing the difference and every year after...

We could have also just set fire to the money, which is basically what you do when you buy young players.

I give you Renato Sanches as a prime example of such foly.

You clearly wont agree, but at least none of those players are utter garbo, buying young players is a complete lottery.

That's such a hyperbolic statement...how can you 'set fire to money' then concede 'its a lottery' ?

Its risk/reward...what if we had signed Brazilian Ronaldo instead of PSV? For the risk factor there are potential massive rewards.

I suppose you are comfortable finishing 7th each season and signing discarded players from better clubs...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's kinda the challenge we face isn't it? We're not a top club at the moment (competing for trophies level), but we need players that are at that level to progress. It's difficult to compete with those kind of players in their peak, because they will be naturally drawn to those clubs that are already at the top, so our best option is to find those who will hopefully become that kind of player in a few years.

 

[Zatara]

Like who? Genuine question, like.

Sander Berge Defensive midfield
Leon Bailey Wing
Malcom Wing
Issa Diop Centre back

Or even that Richarlison at Watford

Theres loads...

 

[Goat]

This is where risk/reward comes in...Lautaro Martinez, Hirving Lozano, Ryan Sessegnon...why would any of these 3 want to join the club...game time and development.

The hope is that in 3 seasons (for example) the players develop through consistent games to break into the top 4.

The 2 players you mention are showing that theyre very good. I'm merely commenting on age brackets which is the topic of the thread...

As for being 26, wait till you reach 30...you'll start noticing the difference and every year after...



That's such a hyperbolic statement...how can you 'set fire to money' then concede 'its a lottery' ?

Its risk/reward...what if we had signed Brazilian Ronaldo instead of PSV? For the risk factor there are potential massive rewards.

I suppose you are comfortable finishing 7th each season and signing discarded players from better clubs...

If we are taling comfort, I find your total obsession with yoots very, very uncomfortable, very.

I get what you want, to buy young players in the hope that they make it big, its a noble idea and 1 that EVERY single club in world football is trying to do, buy low, sell high, but yet you seem to think your the only person in the world that sees its benefit.

You also seem to think we have some sort of pulling power that makes these players want to join us over far bigger and better clubs, your sense of reality is misguided.

But lets focus on what I want hey.

 

[Zatara]

If we are taling comfort, I find your total obsession with yoots very, very uncomfortable, very.

I get what you want, to buy young players in the hope that they make it big, its a noble idea and 1 that EVERY single club in world football is trying to do, buy low, sell high, but yet you seem to think your the only person in the world that sees its benefit.

You also seem to think we have some sort of pulling power that makes these players want to join us over far bigger and better clubs, your sense of reality is misguided.

But lets focus on what I want hey.

Why not change your name (again) to MoutsSeventh...

 

[Goat]

Why not change your name (again) to MoutsSeventh...

Im ok Zat, ive watched us win titles, cups and a trophy in Europe, WBU.