Everton v Sunderland. Boxing Day @ 15.00.

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Oviedo37 said:
A lot of positives can be take out the game even though we got beat..
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Yes, as I have previously stated, we just have to get back on the horse that threw us. Soton though, will be very difficult and very confident.

Sunderland have proved to be the better of Man City, Chelsea and now us. Difficult to reconcile those results with their League position
 
Southampton might be the easier game, Sunderland came today not to lose; Southampton will be looking to play football.

We gave them a goal today and after that they just defending and tried to counter. Also we'll have Barkely from the start on Sunday.
 
Well Martinez claims he learned a lot today, so let's hope one of the things is that Leon Osman is no longer a good enough starter for a Premier League side. I'd rather have John Heitinga in there, and that's saying something.

Other options would be Barkley dropped slightly deeper or Naismith behind the striker (obv only one of them would play if Barry and McCarthy are available), or even one of the younger lads (Lundstram, Green) being rewarded for their good work.

As it is such a disaster and handicap having Osman in there it may even make sense to favour a different formation when we're down to the bare bones, thus getting Jelavic in there instead in a 4-4-2.

Just pissed off Barkley was 'rested' today, he doesn't need it.

I really, really hope that is Martinez's main learning from the game.

Everybody else has been able to see it for years. We all saw it for Neville WAY before he embarrassed himself one too many times and the manager had no option but to take him out of the team, so it's not inconcievable that we have been able to see something the manager hasn't, on this occasion too.

Osman will stop us challenging for the top five if he starts many more games, and that's not an exaggeration.
 
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Tony Mendez said:
Osman today wasn't quite Neville vs Wigan in the cup but it might be a long time before Osman commands a starting place.
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... or Sunday, with Barry out and us needing to field 11 players.

If Barkley takes Barry's place for Sunday, who takes Osman's?

Our lack of strength in depth is laughable.
 
We couldn't do anything more after that second half, we threw everything at them and just couldn't get a goal. No shame in that loss.
 
Oviedo37 said:
A lot of positives can be take out the game even though we got beat..
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*Joel looked like he slotted straight in.
*Oviedo looked very lively and I think Martinez is going to have to find a place for him when Baines returns.
*I don't think an enforced rest for Howard and Barry against Southampton is such a bad thing.
*Barkley has come from nowhere as a freekick-taker.
*It's good to see Jelavic getting some minutes.
*We've still got the fewest defeats and goals conceded in the league.
*Hopefully we've got the silly mistake out of our system and it will have fired us up for the next run of games.
 
------------Casillas--------------

Coleman--Jagielka--Mangala--Baines

Deulofeu--McCarthy--Barkley--Mirallas

------------Jovetic------------------

------------Lukaku-------------------

that would be a decent team to have for the start of next season when we compete for the prem and champions league
 

butters said:
Well Martinez claims he learned a lot today, so let's hope one of the things is that Leon Osman is no longer a good enough starter for a Premier League side. I'd rather have John Heitinga in there, and that's saying something.

Other options would be Barkley dropped slightly deeper or Naismith behind the striker (obv only one of them would play if Barry and McCarthy are available), or even one of the younger lads (Lundstram, Green) being rewarded for their good work.

As it is such a disaster and handicap having Osman in there it may even make sense to favour a different formation when we're down to the bare bones, thus getting Jelavic in there instead in a 4-4-2.

Just pissed off Barkley was 'rested' today, he doesn't need it.

I really, really hope that is Martinez's main learning from the game.

Everybody else has been able to see it for years. We all saw it for Neville WAY before he embarrassed himself one too many times and the manager had no option but to take him out of the team, so it's not inconcievable that we have been able to see something the manager hasn't, on this occasion too.

Osman will stop us challenging for the top five if he starts many more games, and that's not an exaggeration.
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Total knee-jerk. Osman made one mistake today.

How do you know that Barkley doesn't need resting? He can play every game but he's not going to be at his peak if you don't pace him and he risks possible burn out. Besides the physical exertion, the stress and excitement will take their toll, especially because it's all new to him.

Jagielka virtually did the same thing with his header back. Why aren't you berating him?
 
potato said:
------------Casillas--------------

Coleman--Jagielka--Mangala--Baines

Deulofeu--McCarthy--Barkley--Mirallas

------------Jovetic------------------

------------Lukaku-------------------

that would be a decent team to have for the start of next season when we compete for the prem and champions league
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Casillas earns 7.5m euro per year. There will be scores of CL teams after him and we already have a perfectly able 'keeper.

We currently have Jagielka, Distin, Alcaraz, Heitinga, Stones and Duffy. So I don't think Martinez will be prioritising CB at the moment.

Jovetic cost City £22m. He's 24 years old and an established international, so I don't think they'd be looking to loan him out.
 
billycopper said:
Total knee-jerk. Osman made one mistake today.

How do you know that Barkley doesn't need resting? He can play every game but he's not going to be at his peak if you don't pace him and he risks possible burn out. Besides the physical exertion, the stress and excitement will take their toll, especially because it's all new to him.

Jagielka virtually did the same thing with his header back. Why aren't you berating him?
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Mainly because Osman's (and Howard's) mistake cost us the game. Osman was dropping so deep he was getting in Barry's and McCarthy's way for the 20 odd minutes he played.

Surely we should have started Barkely and brought him off need be.
 
butters said:
Well Martinez claims he learned a lot today, so let's hope one of the things is that Leon Osman is no longer a good enough starter for a Premier League side.
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I will be very surprised if Ossie doesn't start on Sunday.

Roberto said the main reason he started the Bacra lid against StoKe was because he felt so down after screwing up a few chances in the derby and he wanted to show Gerald that he trusted him.

Ditto with Ossie...Roberto will put an arm round him and tell him to put it out of his head.

And Bobby's way will be to keep him in the team for Saints.

As ever, all IMO
 
Sona said:
I posted this in the immediate aftermath of the game, so may have got lost among the knee jerking...

OBSERVATIONS

1. We would never have lost that game playing with 11 men.

2. You cannot legislate for the red card/ penalty incident.

3. Osman was to blame for receiving the ball "blind"; should've been more aware and received it side on. An argument could be made for Howard to call for it to be passed straight back to him if he sees Ki closing down his team mate.

4. Howard barely touched Ki, if at all.

5. Referee was poor all round.

6. Unfortunate not to get a point (or even all three) based on the second half.

7. Mannone played the game of his life.

8. We were slightly overly-reliant on Barkley's long shots, albeit the majority of these being very good.

9. We showed great character and spirit in our second half performance.

10. We really went for it, but just couldn't break them down.

11. We'll miss Barry and Howard for Southampton.

Now looking at the stats and getting over the horrible feeling of disappointment, I remain positive and upbeat. I know it was Sunderland at home, but to have the following stats having played with 10 men for 65 minutes is incredible:

Possession: EVE 55% SUN 45%

Shots: EVE 26 SUN 13

On Target: EVE 9 SUN 6

Corners: EVE 11 SUN 2


Quite frankly, it was just one of those days.
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+1

Very sensible post.
 

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