Everton: title contenders

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dholliday said:
can't be arsed with your anti-Bill agenda right now, davek, don't agree with it anyway. We should be proud to have a blue as a chairman, despite all his foibles.

Just enjoy the moment, enjoy what we're achieving so far.

Aim for the title! Much more fun than the old aim for 40 points pap. Even if we only finish 8th, we'd have immensely enjoyed the ride.

Thanks Bobby, thanks all the players, and cheers to Bill for appointing the right man :cheers:
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It's not an agenda if it's utterly true - Bill hasn't got a pot to piss in, end of story. All dave is saying is that to challenge for a title we'd need a good manager and a good owner, willing to invest at least something into the club. We have a negative net spend over the last 10 years FFS!
 
dholliday said:
aye...be interesting to see what happens this coming Jan.
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Martinez needs to be banging Kenwright's door down for the money. Look at the impact Sturridge and Coutinho had for Liverpool last year, we need something like that for us to get in the top 4.

Don't invest and we'll fade away again. Injuries/fatigue/lack of competition for places will kick in.
 
dannyboy said:
Martinez needs to be banging Kenwright's door down for the money. Look at the impact Sturridge and Coutinho had for Liverpool last year, we need something like that for us to get in the top 4.

Don't invest and we'll fade away again. Injuries/fatigue/lack of competition for places will kick in.
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What position though?
 
dholliday said:
can't be arsed with your anti-Bill agenda right now, davek, don't agree with it anyway. We should be proud to have a blue as a chairman, despite all his foibles.

Just enjoy the moment, enjoy what we're achieving so far.

Aim for the title! Much more fun than the old aim for 40 points pap. Even if we only finish 8th, we'd have immensely enjoyed the ride.

Thanks Bobby, thanks all the players, and cheers to Bill for appointing the right man :cheers:
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Thats the difference in mentality between Moyes and Martinez, Robby has already targeted 71 points whereas Moyes was happy to reach the 40 point mark then laud himself up then let the media big him up on the fabulous job he is diong with plucky little Everton.....
 
Tubey said:
It's not an agenda if it's utterly true - Bill hasn't got a pot to piss in, end of story. All dave is saying is that to challenge for a title we'd need a good manager and a good owner, willing to invest at least something into the club. We have a negative net spend over the last 10 years FFS!
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not interested in this becoming an anti-board or woe-is-us-we-has-no-monies thread, there's enough of that elsewhere.

All I'm saying is, we've already got the players capable of beating teams. A couple of wise lowkey(ish) moves in January, and a continuation of this positive attitude...and who knows?

It's about time modern football was dealt a lesson that money doesn't always buy titles...Everton are perfectly placed to teach that lesson.

And if we fail, none of us will mind as we know we went for it, and will go for it again next season.


COYB!!
 
Tubey said:
A top four finish has been viable for us for a few seasons now due to the squad quality - we were held back by a horribly negative, tactically moronic manager who bottled it every time a game had an ounce of meaning to it.

Now that the ginger monkey is off our backs, it really is a brave new world here. I don't think we're title challengers really, but I do believe we are top four challengers.

I'm glad to now be supporting a side where the manager doesn't make me want to vomit. I'm loving Everton right now, absolutely fantastic. I know there'll be bad times ahead too, but at least we'll approach them with a manager whose first instinct is to get the best from his players and let them have a go, rather than dither like a dour ginger bar steward.
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This is very unfair. Moyes was at his best when building a side and then improving it, he proved that by getting most of the current squad together for (relatively speaking) bobbins. The two or three positions he never got right were up front, the right wing, and picking Neville. That, and a tendency to not risk things, held him back from doing something really special indeed.

He has now gone to a big club that had a lot of underinvestment in it (yes they won loads, but how is it that they have no midfield and wingers as bad as Valencia, Ashley Young and Nani?), wheras Martinez has come along, inherited a good team, has managed to add two forwards who could potentially be amongst the best in the world and has Barry instead of Neville. He has also been lucky in that his main mistake so far - Kone - has disappeared for the rest of the season.
 
dholliday said:
not interested in this becoming an anti-board or woe-is-us-we-has-no-monies thread, there's enough of that elsewhere.

All I'm saying is, we've already got the players capable of beating teams. A couple of wise lowkey(ish) moves in January, and a continuation of this positive attitude...and who knows?

It's about time modern football was dealt a lesson that money doesn't always buy titles...Everton are perfectly placed to teach that lesson.

And if we fail, none of us will mind as we know we went for it, and will go for it again next season.


COYB!!
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We have £10-15m left over from the summer/last January to spend anyway - or should have; depends how "Other Operating Costs" are doing I guess.
 
tsubaki said:
This is very unfair. Moyes was at his best when building a side and then improving it, he proved that by getting most of the current squad together for (relatively speaking) bobbins. The two or three positions he never got right were up front, the right wing, and picking Neville. That, and a tendency to not risk things, held him back from doing something really special indeed.

He has now gone to a big club that had a lot of underinvestment in it (yes they won loads, but how is it that they have no midfield and wingers as bad as Valencia, Ashley Young and Nani?), wheras Martinez has come along, inherited a good team, has managed to add two forwards who could potentially be amongst the best in the world and has Barry instead of Neville. He has also been lucky in that his main mistake so far - Kone - has disappeared for the rest of the season.
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Nonsense. The difference between a title winning Man Utd side (aside from a bit part player in Paul Scholes) and now is:

* A Moyes signing.
* Moyes appointed backroom staff.
* Moyes.

That's it.

Martinez has brought in Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy and transformed the spine of our side and proven himself already to be tactically light years ahead of Moyes.

As I've said many, many times, Moyes is a phenomenal director of football, but an atrocious manager, and it's being played out right now.
 
polish said:
To be honest we all should be proud Kenwright picked Martinez not Lennon or someone else :)

Hell of a shot that was
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Aye...Bill gets far too much stick round here. We really should be looking after our own, not putting the boot in just because he's not filthy rich. We know he only wants the best for Everton, and his stewardship has probably saved us from a Venky's-at-Blackburn style horror show.


banno said:
Thats the difference in mentality between Moyes and Martinez, Robby has already targeted 71 points whereas Moyes was happy to reach the 40 point mark then laud himself up then let the media big him up on the fabulous job he is diong with plucky little Everton.....
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Yep...Moyes was so good at talking us down, that we had some blues believing without him we'd get relegated!

Someone should vault some of those posts...incredible, really.
 
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