Everton FC sale - speculation on timings

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Robert Earl's company that invested in Everton was called BCR Sports (BCR being the initials of his 3 kids).
Ebertoh got investment Via BCR
Via BCR is an anagram of Vibrac

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The Esk said:
Off shoring or not, the fact remains that directors and auditors of a UK private company signed off statements containing which directors were the beneficial owners of Everton shares, namely (in relation to your supposition) Bill Kenwright and Robert Earl.

If the beneficial ownership was different then there's a criminal act been committed.
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A lot have highlighted this point against the OP.

It's the actual point. It is possible to wrongly declare, use proxies, avoid tax, because few have been caught doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just a matter of risk percentages.

Too many have jumped on him as if the club and Big Pip are whiter than white. Really?
 
bring the ghost on said:
No, it wasn't.
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But it was, it still is. So many years, so many false dawns, Fortress fund?The occasional japanese dentist along the way.

It is stupefying something hasn't gone wrong yet. How many on these boards think of this takeover in the same way as our games? 3-0 up, ten minutes to go, we're still going to blow this....
 
magicjuan said:
A lot have highlighted this point against the OP.

It's the actual point. It is possible to wrongly declare, use proxies, avoid tax, because few have been caught doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just a matter of risk percentages.

Too many have jumped on him as if the club and Big Pip are whiter than white. Really?
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No, he keeps claiming it could be done and be a legal structure. It can't, pretty much by definition.

As for whether it has happened, nobody has actually shown any real evidence (or indeed compelling circumstantial evidence) for it, nor indeed any good reason why Philip Green would go to the effort, nor why Earl would be bothered going along with it.
 
magicjuan said:
A lot have highlighted this point against the OP.

It's the actual point. It is possible to wrongly declare, use proxies, avoid tax, because few have been caught doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's just a matter of risk percentages.

Too many have jumped on him as if the club and Big Pip are whiter than white. Really?
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I have merely speculated on the near syncronised timing of the sale to Mr Moshiri (fortuitously for EFC)

To those events and the 'disposal' of BHS at cost to the taxpayer. Of which is under two parlimentary inquiries. It is this scruitny of the aforementioned former owner that may have contributed to the quick sale of EFC. There was always suspicions (google Philip Green and Everton to see details) of his involvement in the club.

It looks more than coincidental. There are far too many coincidences here. Which is what I am highlighting


@The Esk did not jump on the post. He merely expressed doubt which is entirely understandable. Infact he's just acting as devil's advocate. In this thread Esk is just doing his usual - constructively adding to the debate on what is going on in the news.
 
mikewex said:
No, he keeps claiming it could be done and be a legal structure. It can't, pretty much by definition.

As for whether it has happened, nobody has actually shown any real evidence (or indeed compelling circumstantial evidence) for it, nor indeed any good reason why Philip Green would go to the effort, nor why Earl would be bothered going along with it.
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I think you will find that the parties involved in the Panama Papers claimed that what they were doing was based on a legal structure

Money is the reason. Money. That can be extracted based on interest on loans issued to a Virgin Islands company.
 
magicjuan said:
But it was, it still is. So many years, so many false dawns, Fortress fund?The occasional japanese dentist along the way.

It is stupefying something hasn't gone wrong yet. How many on these boards think of this takeover in the same way as our games? 3-0 up, ten minutes to go, we're still going to blow this....
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I also highlight Philip Green has a track record of not investing in a company. BHS. That had been systematically asset stripped if you look at it.

EFC had ZERO investment from Robert Earl during the 15 years of his time at the club. Looks rather coincidental. That not a single penny had been put into the club.

ZERO.
 
mikewex said:
No, he keeps claiming it could be done and be a legal structure. It can't, pretty much by definition.

As for whether it has happened, nobody has actually shown any real evidence (or indeed compelling circumstantial evidence) for it, nor indeed any good reason why Philip Green would go to the effort, nor why Earl would be bothered going along with it.
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Green has well documented form, it's how he operates, so probability and likelihood is why. Earl has been bankrupt before and will go for a sure fire thing, his e-mail to the CEX at KMBC at the time of the inquiry shows why.

Recent history at EFC is justification enough to speculate, we are not paragons of probity, nor are we the devil, but the people we have associated with....well.
 
bizzaro said:
I also highlight Philip Green has a track record of not investing in a company. BHS. That had been systematically asset stripped if you look at it.

EFC had ZERO investment from Robert Earl during the 15 years of his time at the club. Looks rather coincidental. That not a single penny had been put into the club.

ZERO.
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magicjuan said:
Green has well documented form, it's how he operates, so probability and likelihood is why. Earl has been bankrupt before and will go for a sure fire thing, his e-mail to the CEX at KMBC at the time of the inquiry shows why.

Recent history at EFC is justification enough to speculate, we are not paragons of probity, nor are we the devil, but the people we have associated with....well.
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Obviously I should begin with a reminder that this thread is based on pure speculation, as you make clear in the OP.

Secondly, my business nous is still a mere rowing boat compared to the ocean liners of @The Esk and others lol

The thing that astounds me, is that someone who has been bankrupt was allowed on the board of ANY business. Is that normal?

Bottom line for me is, whatever these two did or didn't have to do with Everton, both are gone for good. Hopefully this sumer will see a top to bottom turn around, and we can aim for the true meaning of NSNO on and off the pitch.
 
Groucho said:
Obviously I should begin with a reminder that this is speculation, a you make clear in the OP.

Secondly, my business nous is still a mere rowing boat compared to the ocean liners of @The Esk and others lol

The thing that astounds me, is that someone who has been bankrupt was allowed on the board of ANY business. Is that normal?

Bottom line for me is, whatever these two did or didn't have to do with Everton, both are gone for good. Hopefully this sumer will see a top to bottom turn around, and we can aim for the true meaning of NSNO on and off the pitch.
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We even went as far as to emphasise the word 'speculation' in the tread title Groucho.

Thats the thing with offshoring in the Virgin Islands.

Its so secretive and so lacking in transparency until the Panama Papers that is all people could do.
 
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