Everton are bigger than any manager any player. We the fans are the club.

[Seamus Colemole]

maybe he thought that Bill would do the right thing or at the very least the supporters would pile the preasure on Bill.

It seems neither has happened and when Moyes goes it will be intresting to see the reaction of the fans like yourself when the penny drops.

Again, if he thought that he's a gulible idiot and i don't think for a second that anyone would be manager of Everton for 11 years under Kenwright and then decide to be bothered about the financial situtaion.

And fans like myself? I love comments like that so please explain exactly what you mean.

 

[Allezfan]

Yeah - this site, but with all due respect, it's not the entire Everton fanbase, nor even always representative of the match-going Blues.

If it was, the 70% of people who want Kenwright out in the poll on here wouldn't be clapping his face at the match.

And there would have been a lot more Blues on the Blue Union marches outside the ground, instead of the ones who stayed in the pubs sneering at the marchers.

Two of his subs have been booed recently, and the gwladys where I sit is full of people moaning about him not changing things and blaming the villa and norwich games on him.

 

[samcdavies94]

That's his job, though.

The manager gets judged on the performance on the pitch, the manager doesn't get to do the judging.

It's like me going up to my boss and saying I either do my job well or I walk.

haha spot on!

 

[Brennan]

It's his job to get us into europe.

If you believe that's on the pitch matters he's looking at: we're in this bizarre situation where he's putting the pressure on the players to win enough games to convince him it's worth staying.

If you don't, then he's basically saying if someone else wants me I'm off, if they don't I'll stay with you.

How is that not insulting arrogance in terms of taking the club for granted?

It's his right to choose whether he stays or goes, that's the long and short of it. You're attaching a lot of emotion to the situation which just isn't there.

He signed a contract, and now he's holding off on signing a new one because he doesn't know what situation the club will be in. It's no different to any other job where you might be reluctant to commit yourself long term to a project when you're uncertain what the project will actually entail.

 

[Allezfan]

It's his right to choose whether he stays or goes, that's the long and short of it. You're attaching a lot of emotion to the situation which just isn't there.

He signed a contract, and now he's holding off on signing a new one because he doesn't know what situation the club will be in. It's no different to any other job where you might be reluctant to commit yourself long term to a project when you're uncertain what the project will actually entail.

Well, exactly, if you view Moyes dispasionately as a mercenary with no loyalty he's behaving perfectly acceptably, including letting the board know his situation with months to go. I've said repeatedly that his presumptive arrogance here doesn't bothers me, he's acting how I would expect him to do and he's done well enough here that I'll wish him well when I leave.

But he's not thinking about the club at all. Not thinking about how this might effect the playing staff, redknapp style, for one. Any myths that Moyes is looking out for the club and not just himself, should die with this.

 

[chicoazul]

Stop being purposely contrary Bren you big fire headed monster x

 

[Brownie]

The only part of this that I think's strange is the reason he's come up with for not saying anything. He wants to see how the team does? Surely the team's performance is his responsibility anyway, so essentially he wants to see how he gets on before deciding whether or not to continue the job. The only situation I can see that making sense for a manager is if they're questioning their ability to be successful, which we know Moyes has done in the past. At this moment though, it really doesn't feel like that, it feels like he's hankering after a new challenge rather than sticking with the Everton one, which I think is what's making people frustrated with him.

 

[D410]

Again, if he thought that he's a gulible idiot and i don't think for a second that anyone would be manager of Everton for 11 years under Kenwright and then decide to be bothered about the financial situtaion.

And fans like myself? I love comments like that so please explain exactly what you mean.

Explain myself? ok. I mean there will always be a section of the fan base that focus on the short term on the pitch matters without fully understanding that the off the pitch (main stand) matters determine the glass ceiling for everything long term on the pitch.

When Moyes has gone that same fan section will blame the next manager for falling below the benchmark set by this manager whilst the real root cause goes unchecked for years.

 

[Brennan]

The only part of this that I think's strange is the reason he's come up with for not saying anything. He wants to see how the team does? Surely the team's performance is his responsibility anyway, so essentially he wants to see how he gets on before deciding whether or not to continue the job. The only situation I can see that making sense for a manager is if they're questioning their ability to be successful, which we know Moyes has done in the past. At this moment though, it really doesn't feel like that, it feels like he's hankering after a new challenge rather than sticking with the Everton one, which I think is what's making people frustrated with him.

I think he's starting to wonder whether he can get Everton into Europe consistently, perhaps it wasn't his fault in January that we didn't get the players we'd wanted, for example.

 

[D410]

Well, exactly, if you view Moyes dispasionately as a mercenary with no loyalty he's behaving perfectly acceptably, including letting the board know his situation with months to go. I've said repeatedly that his presumptive arrogance here doesn't bothers me, he's acting how I would expect him to do and he's done well enough here that I'll wish him well when I leave.

But he's not thinking about the club at all. Not thinking about how this might effect the playing staff, redknapp style, for one. Any myths that Moyes is looking out for the club and not just himself, should die with this.

After 11 years of keeping the goodship kenwright boat floating upright and with our prem survival guaranteed for this season maybe he is entitled to have a sniff.

 

[chicoazul]

I think he's starting to wonder whether he can get Everton into Europe consistently, perhaps it wasn't his fault in January that we didn't get the players we'd wanted, for example.

With the group of players he has now he should get into Europe.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Explain myself? ok. I mean there will always be a section of the fan base that focus on the short term on the pitch matters without fully understanding that the off the pitch (main stand) matters determine the glass ceiling for everything long term on the pitch.

When Moyes has gone that same fan section will blame the next manager for falling below the benchmark set by this manager whilst the real root cause goes unchecked for years.

And whats that gotta do with me? You do realise i'm fully aware of how gash kenwrong is and i've never once said Moyes out don't you?

 

[Brennan]

With the group of players he has now he should get into Europe.

Not really mate, not consistently anyway. Two injuries and we're back to Phil Neville in midfield and Naismith on the wing. Meanwhile Spurs can bring on Holtby and Sigurdsson. The five teams currently above us all have stronger squads and better teams than we do on paper. A strong first eleven isn't enough to regularly get European football.

 

[Allezfan]

After 11 years of keeping the goodship kenwright boat floating upright and with our prem survival guaranteed for this season maybe he is entitled to have a sniff.

Which he did in return for nothing more than the best wages a manager with no trophy wins has ever been paid, complete control and a job security unmatched in world football.

What a saint.

 

[chicoazul]

Not really mate, not consistently anyway. Two injuries and we're back to Phil Neville in midfield and Naismith on the wing. Meanwhile Spurs can bring on Holtby and Sigurdsson. The five teams currently above us all have stronger squads and better teams than we do on paper.

Sixth will secure Europe won't it mate?