Wow, you really have convinced yourself that we belong in 12th.
All your eggs are in the FA Cup basket, lets hope its a strong basket, cos if it breaks, your gonna be juggling those eggs all the way home.
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Wow, you really have convinced yourself that we belong in 12th.
All your eggs are in the FA Cup basket, lets hope its a strong basket, cos if it breaks, your gonna be juggling those eggs all the way home.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...so, just to make it clear then: any new manager coming in would get the best squad we've had for years and then a fortune on top to see if he could get us into the CL spots (because you cant get in there before qualifying)? Ok, got it.
...but hold on, if he was going to be better than Martinez, and CL qualification should be possible with the squad we have now, why would he need to restructure it and spend out more on it next season?
It's a puzzler, isn't it.
Not sure this one is true, many times when someone could play him through they opt for an easy sideways pass instead. Was even worse last season. The one person who seems to bust a gut to get the ball to him is Del.
Are you @davek in disguise?
No-one in their right mind would accept finishing 17th if we won a trophy. No-one. Tenth maybe, but 17th? Don't be ridiculous - why on Earth do you think so many people are still moaning!
And we have CLEARLY regressed. It's plain to see, in handy table format. We are 12th. We have lost a near-record number of home games. If this is NOT regression in your eyes, I am genuinely baffled as to what would be.
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Agree with the highlighted one, although its mentioned, I don't think you can underplay how important Martinez was in getting Lukaku in the first place.. but disagree with the others..
Lukaku scores as many as he does because he's Lukaku, he could of been under Moyes and he would still score for fun
He's grown because he's Lukaku and quite simply, his scoring is no different than it always was and his first touch, back to goal and hold up play was always something that were bad enough he had to improve, this again would be similar under any manager.
Finally I think he may stay longer with a top 4 spot, than finishing embarrassingly in the bottom half again..
From Chelsea to Wigan to Everton followed by us plummeting down the league, its not exactly a great CV from a club perspective. Doesn't appear to be much difference between us currently and Wigan back then tbh, he won't want to be back there in relegation dogfights when he could be trying to conquer the Champions League would he?
Also your opinions of the reasons behind things are not facts...
That being said, there are an awful lot of guesses in that original post being portrayed inaccurately as facts imo.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Not the point of the article. I was never in doubt that Lukaku would leave Everton quickly, we were only ever a stepping stone. Getting him for three seasons was more than I ever expected. We could offer him regular football and that was great for a teenager but the scales would always swing the other way as his talent increased. The point is that we've missed the boat. We've had a world class striker at the tip of our team for three seasons and done zilch. Liverpool and Spurs when in similar positions mounted title challenges, Leicester may win it off one season of brilliant Vardy form. We're not even troubling top half. Even Klopp has Liverpool looking at top 4 again, imagine he had a 20 goal a season striker, or Koeman had one at Southampton, or Bilic had one. Do you think these sides (who are already pushing Europe) would not be in the top 4? They'd have walked in because these strikers are the difference maker (hence why they only come round so rarely). We've used our window of opportunity to avoid relegation. When will we ever have a striker like this again?
So yes, kudos to Roberto for bringing him in, kudos for the 70 mill when he goes, but thanks for wasting our best shot at a league title since 87 and top 4 since 05.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
12th place trophy....I'll put it right where we used to put the 6th and 7th placed trophies....
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Think he got 17 coming off the bench in a Pulis side for West Brom. Clearly he doesn't need a team built around him to score.
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
The reason we won't qualify for the CL as is, is because of the quality of management and coaching. Across the football industry it is commonly accepted that this squad should be competing for a CL place.
That doesn't mean though that the squad cannot be strengthened and restructured does it? In doing so, perhaps we can then set our sights on the Premier League, and regular progress in the CL through to the knock-out stages at least.
That should be our ambition - but to do so we need funding, a manager and coaching team capable of such, and a squad capable of such.
It appears we will have the backing, it is apparent we do not have the management or coaching team and we have a squad capable of competing for CL but which would benefit hugely from further investment.
Not in the slightest bit puzzling, Dave.
Whistlin' Dixie
Player Valuation: £50m
Quite correct.
Space Cowboy
Player Valuation: £1m
Maybe the squad isn't champions league quality as everyone keeps suggesting. Maybe we're all guilty of believing Martinez's hype about the players, and it's backfired on Martinez. Compare our squad to anyone in the top four, aside from Leicester, I don't think we're better than anyone. Is our squad better that Chelsea, MU or Liverpool? Probably not/equivalent.
The thing that's set Everton apart in the past is the management and managing to get the most out of limited players. The difference now is that Martinez has somehow turned us into a team that can score goals for fun against anyone however this only papers over the cracks of a poor defence. Even if we found some kind of balance in defence I don't think we'd still have the attacking intent to frighten teams as we do at the moment.
In an ideal world for me we'd play like Atletico Madrid and build a solid base from the back with a handful of hardworking flair players that can provide the spark but I don't think Ross, Rom, Del or anyone are willing to work or press that hard off the ball. That's the reason we're failing IMO. We need new management and to be honest I wouldn't mind restructuring the team as well since their lack of effort and attitude is part of the reason I'm so fed up of Everton this season.
The thing that's set Everton apart in the past is the management and managing to get the most out of limited players. The difference now is that Martinez has somehow turned us into a team that can score goals for fun against anyone however this only papers over the cracks of a poor defence. Even if we found some kind of balance in defence I don't think we'd still have the attacking intent to frighten teams as we do at the moment.
In an ideal world for me we'd play like Atletico Madrid and build a solid base from the back with a handful of hardworking flair players that can provide the spark but I don't think Ross, Rom, Del or anyone are willing to work or press that hard off the ball. That's the reason we're failing IMO. We need new management and to be honest I wouldn't mind restructuring the team as well since their lack of effort and attitude is part of the reason I'm so fed up of Everton this season.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...generally speaking we play to Lukaku's game on the counter attack. This season the service has been very good; in the first two seasons he was here it wasn't great. I suppose that accounts for his major leap in goals scored this season.
The simple answer is, the squad needs restructuring cos in the Summer we lose 5 players who have played around 2000 games between them in their Everton careers.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Hard hitting stuff that, and very true.
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