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i'm all for it.

i think the clubs want a usa franchise style arrangement with no relegation.

in usa their sports are kept competitive via a draft system and a salary cap.

football in europe has no draft system, and i don't see city/psg/real madrid agreeing to a salary cap.

FSG won't want to nor be able to pay the top wages to attract the best players. give it a few seasons the RS would be stuck at/near the bottom of a league they can't leave.
 
i'm all for it.

i think the clubs want a usa franchise style arrangement with no relegation.

in usa their sports are kept competitive via a draft system and a salary cap.

football in europe has no draft system, and i don't see city/psg/real madrid agreeing to a salary cap.

FSG won't want to nor be able to pay the top wages to attract the best players. give it a few seasons the RS would be stuck at/near the bottom of a league they can't leave.
You want football to become the ultimate joke and transcend entirely into a business just so Liverpool are slightly inconvenienced?

Why is our fan base so obsessed with them?
 
It is one of the worst ideas ever.

The Champions League is successful because of the allure of the glamour clubs playing each other (which has been hugely diluted anyway). Bayern vs Barca, Man Utd vs Real Madrid etc. If you have that week in and week out then it is absolutely pointless.

Football is also a tribal game. You local rivalries mean everything, if you take them away you have nothing.

So not only does it totally ignore what makes the Champions League work it also ignores what makes the Premier League (and indeed other leagues) work.

I do question which clubs would genuinely be interested in it. For me it feels like it will be pushed for by the new money clubs. I honestly cant see a Man Utd, a Bayern Munich or even a Liverpool wanting to lose the local ties. They are traditional clubs who at least seem to care about their fans, so who exactly is pushing for this nonsense?
 
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You want football to become the ultimate joke and transcend entirely into a business just so Liverpool are slightly inconvenienced?

Why is our fan base so obsessed with them?

Already happened hasn't it?, the Premier league was the first step, a greedy European then world series are the next steps, if certain clubs want to be in there own little bubble then let them, and let the leagues become a bit more competitive for the majority of teams
 
i'm all for it.

i think the clubs want a usa franchise style arrangement with no relegation.

in usa their sports are kept competitive via a draft system and a salary cap.

football in europe has no draft system, and i don't see city/psg/real madrid agreeing to a salary cap.

FSG won't want to nor be able to pay the top wages to attract the best players. give it a few seasons the RS would be stuck at/near the bottom of a league they can't leave.
Get real mate, they want MORE of the cake, not a level(ed) playing field with wage caps and draft systems

They want it all
They want it now
 
I'm personally surprised the english clubs are even considering this. They are able to compete (ok get totally blitzed in a final) at the moment due to the disparity in TV income between the PL and the foreign leagues.

Just imagine Barca and Real who pay stupid transfer fees and wages now with the same TV deals, it would just put them beyond reach.
 
You want football to become the ultimate joke and transcend entirely into a business
Already happened. Nothing could happen that would make the game anymore of a joke and a buissness then it already is. The only difference a super league would make is that the powers that be in the game would just be more upfront about it being a buissness and all about the money.
 
Very decent Times article worth reading, concentrates on Pochettino and Spurs and how its seen from their viewpoint of a 'top five' who have completely ignored and met in secret thus relegating them, new stadium and all to an 'inferior' status.

It does mention the staggering sums involved 400m guaranteed for the permanent members compared to the possible 90m for getting to the champions league final which has to be the driving force.

Although the premier league clubs domestic earnings generated from premier league TV rights in terms of earnings puts them at a substantial advantage when compared to the European clubs earnings from their leagues, you can see why the talks are advanced.

The prem clubs could see it as leverage to obtain a bigger piece of the pie at national and European level and have already obtained some concessions but 400m guaranteed will greatly interest foreign owners of the 'top FIVE' premier league clubs.

American owners especially like the no promotion and relegation, with finances guaranteed and TV rights exploding, the fans don't really come in to it much.

As this is a bit of a long post I'll put the article mentioned below in a separate one.. Its under a paywall so I'll print it in full below

I imagine owners of all nationalities would like guaranteed income.

Not only should we man any breakaway clubs for rejoining domestic leagues we should ban any player who plays in it.

That'll learn em.
 
Ok, not trying to wind anyone up here but what, exactly, is the hate on the "Premier League" from when it first started? Wasn't following...well, hell, anything at that time much less footy. But they kept almost all the same teams in it(Arsenal had some wonky stuff going on iirc) but they didn't have it be a lock out, no relegation scenario like this crap. Teams could still come up and ones from when it was introduced have been relegated.

This is just idiotic for the clubs involved. And I cannot see how they are saying it will be a guaranteed 400m a season for clubs, that HAS to be with all of it split up amongst, no?
 
You want football to become the ultimate joke and transcend entirely into a business just so Liverpool are slightly inconvenienced?

Why is our fan base so obsessed with them?
modern football already is a joke, and became business years ago. if a bunch of clubs want to break away and make a mess of it, let them, because you cannot stop them. i honestly don't think it would negatively affect everton. we already operate in a lower tier than the super-clubs now, and yet i still like going to the match.

i would watch everton at whatever level, whatever league. we want the best for them, and the best for us as fans. even if we were one of the five clubs, i wouldn't want us in it as i think its a bad idea.


look at EPPP and how it has screwed the academies of smaller clubs. the spanish tv rights deal barca and real have. bayern's grip on german football.

if that bad idea messes things up for the clubs which have been stifling football clubs lower down the pyramid for years then great. we'll still be here
 
It is one of the worst ideas ever.

The Champions League is successful because of the allure of the glamour clubs playing each other (which has been hugely diluted anyway). Bayern vs Barca, Man Utd vs Real Madrid etc. If you have that week in and week out then it is absolutely pointless.

Football is also a tribal game. You local rivalries mean everything, if you take them away you have nothing.

So not only does it totally ignore what makes the Champions League work it also ignores what makes the Premier League (and indeed other leagues) work.

I do question which clubs would genuinely be interested in it. For me it feels like it will be pushed for by the new money clubs. I honestly cant see a Man Utd, a Bayern Munich or even a Liverpool wanting to lose the local ties. They are traditional clubs who at least seem to care about their fans, so who exactly is pushing for this nonsense?
Thing is for a while now they have seen the Man U game as more important than the Derby.And I agree it wouldn't work but money talks and the money men usually get their way in the end.
 
Get real mate, they want MORE of the cake, not a level(ed) playing field with wage caps and draft systems

They want it all
They want it now

exactly my point. they all want more for themselves, but not an equal share of a better cake.

leagues like nfl and nba are successful in part because of the agreement between franchise owners to keep a certain amount of level playing field (first draft pick goes to lowest ranked team etc).

i just dont see the owners of the biggest footie teams switching to that sort of mindset and the greed of one or more owners would eventually bring the house of cards down.
 
It wouldn't work when truly big teams face each other, it's usually 0.0 or 1.0 who's going to watch that every week, the football association's would arrange for fixtures to coincide with euro super league fixtures, it would be dead before it started.
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-city-after-scale-of-deceit-exposed-sw95fxp5h

La Liga demands action against City after scale of ‘deceit’ exposed

Spanish league chiefs have called on Uefa to take action against Manchester City after new leaked files revealed the full extent to which the club are alleged to have deceived the European body over financial fair play (FFP).

The leaked documents appear to show that tens of millions of pounds that was supposed to have come from the sponsors Etihad Airways was paid directly to the club by the owners

The club is also alleged to have set up scheme called Project Longbow to dodge FFP rules. The scheme saw a shell company called Fordham Sports Management set up which paid the players for their image rights instead of the club, with City’s Abu Dhabi owners reimbursing Fordham directly. The scheme saved millions from City’s wage bill and also allowed the club to report an extra €30 million (around £26 million) in marketing income.

Javier Tebas, the La Liga president, wrote to Uefa more than a year ago demanding action against City and Paris Saint-Germain and the Spanish league says the documents obtained by the German magazine Der Spiegel provide clear evidence of FFP breaches.
Joris Evers, the La Liga chief communications officer, told The Times: “Our position is clear. The leaks validate what we have been saying for more than a year.

“Uefa should now take action and apply the rules that exist and any sanctions that are necessary. Uefa should do its job in terms of enforcing FFP because, as we have said before, both Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain are not complying with FFP rules.”
Der Spiegel has also reported that City’s manager Pep Guardiola is on a £2 million bonus if the club wins the Champions League.
The leaks are alleged to show that City backdated and inflated sponsorship deals with companies related to their owners in Abu Dhabi, and suggested sponsors pay out for the club winning the FA Cup when they were beaten in the final.

Uefa would not comment because of “confidentiality obligations” and City have yet to respond but, so long as it is within the time limit, it could re-open an FFP investigation into City if the full documents come into the public domain, or are sent to them.
The most serious claim concerns City’s sponsorship deal with Etihad. It is said that the Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), Sheikh Mansour’s holding company which also owns City, directly paid £59.5 million of Etihad’s annual sponsorship, with only £8 million coming from the airline.

An email from City’s chief financial officer, Jorge Chumillas, to the City director Simon Pearce in 2015 refers to the Etihad sponsorship deal, which was worth £67.5 million annually. The email states: “Please note that out of those 67.5m pounds, 8m pounds should be funded directly by Etihad and 59.5 by ADUG.”

According to Der Spiegel, City also manipulated their sponsorship deals with partners from Abu Dhabi — Etihad, Aabar Investments and the tourism authority — by backdating them. Chumillas asked Pearce in an email if they could change the date of payment for the sponsors. He replied: “Of course, we can do what we want.”
City were fined €20 million (about £17.5 million) for FFP breaches in 2014, and leaked documents at the weekend revealed that Gianni Infantino, the Fifa president, struck a secret deal with the club when he was the general secretary of Uefa that meant that City avoided a Champions League ban.

Der Spiegel also reported that Ferran Soriano, the City chief executive, suggested that sponsors should pay out for the contractual bonus for the club winning the FA Cup in 2013, when they were actually beaten by Wigan Athletic in the final.

City would not comment beyond a statement the club released last week, which read: “We will not be providing any comment on out of context materials purported to have been hacked or stolen from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel and associated people. The attempt to damage the club’s reputation is organised and clear.”

Paris Saint-Germain yesterday lodged a case with the Court of Arbitration for Sport challenging Uefa after its club finance panel reopened an FFP investigation into the French champions.
 
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