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[degsy]

Shadow Chancellor says Labour 'support' the Public vote for Brexit...and want full Single Market Access
#cake and eat it time.

Monsieur and Herr Johnny Foreigner will not be liking this.

 

[The Esk]

So, the so-called "project fear" starts to become a reality with the forecast increase in borrowing of £122 billion over the next 3 years as a result of Brexit.

That increase is as much debt as the UK owed in total in 1982, after the first Thatcher recession.

 

[Socrates]

So here it is all summed up for everyone perfectly:

Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?”

Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.”

Remainers “And do what exactly?”

Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.”

Remainers “But even you don’t know how!”

Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.”

Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?”

Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.”

Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts”

Leavers “Remain experts.”

Remainers “There are no Leave experts”

Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.”

Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!”

Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.”

Remainers “You’re delusional.”

Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.”

By Ishtar Ostaria
Source: ft.com

 

[neil999]

Robert Peston

✔@Peston
Wow. OBR forecasts £220bn increase in national debt by end of parliament to staggering £1.945 trillion. Huge Brexit impact

 

[neil999]

So, the so-called "project fear" starts to become a reality with the forecast increase in borrowing of £122 billion over the next 3 years as a result of Brexit.

That increase is as much debt as the UK owed on total in 1982, after the first Thatcher recession.

at least we will have less polish supermarkets tho...hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So, it has to be going somewhere...the only ones benefitting are the private banks and corporations.

Employment isn't really benefitting as the jobs are zero hours, unprotected, low paid, generally so again it's corporations that benefit.

There will be a correlation between borrowing and low corporation tax revenues at the same time we have a creaking societal infrastructure that needs rebalancing and renewing.

You know me, I like some stats on stuff, so I looked up corporation tax revenue figures, and total net Corporation Tax receipts in 2014-2015 were £43.0 billion, which is an increase of 7 per cent from £40.3 billion in 2013-14 and is roughly in line with what was received before the credit crunch.

Likewise, if you look at money raised from income tax and national insurance, the actual money raised has been quite consistent, even whilst the number of zero hour jobs has risen considerably.

So despite that, we're still spending almost the equivalent of the entire NHS budget extra.

 

[magicjuan]

So, the so-called "project fear" starts to become a reality with the forecast increase in borrowing of £122 billion over the next 3 years as a result of Brexit.

That increase is as much debt as the UK owed on total in 1982, after the first Thatcher recession.

This may belong, to some, in the conspiracy thread, but markets, their forces and machinery and not as reactive as we are led to believe. Before the vote took place the real players that control the flow of credit would have devised contingencies for either eventuality, it's a rigged system that will always benefit and perpetuate the system itself.
I don't believe this is consequential but another move on the grand chessboard.
Each government is limited by its own credit facility though they don't own that credit facility as a lot of people believe and as such they have to dance to someone else's tune, one not influenced in any way by the wishes or beliefs of the voting public.

 

[magicjuan]

So here it is all summed up for everyone perfectly:

Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?”

Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.”

Remainers “And do what exactly?”

Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.”

Remainers “But even you don’t know how!”

Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.”

Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?”

Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.”

Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts”

Leavers “Remain experts.”

Remainers “There are no Leave experts”

Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.”

Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!”

Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.”

Remainers “You’re delusional.”

Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.”

By Ishtar Ostaria
Source: ft.com

There is a generalised misconception on 'brexiteers' and while all the finger wagging and foot stomping is carried out by these 'hipster' remainers the real culprits are avoiding responsibility.

Why was the referendum a single unquantified question for such a complex decision? Were the public considered too dumb to digest genuine arguments?

The use of a single question was so that the complexity could be reduced to a single issue, that of immigration. The press ensured it was a narrow discussion so that a factional split could be created.

I work with avery savvy Frenchman, we talk politics quite often and he thought similarly that the decision was oversimplified and designed to play on fears and an undercurrent of xenophobia promoted by the press, something he believes is happening jn France now, Germany also.

The whole fiasco was a pincer movement a choice of which cancer we'd like to contract. Without a quantified question with contingent clauses we were always going to be caught between a rock and another bigger rock.

I keep saying that this is just a game and the only way the people can win is to stop playing, it's rigged from start to finish.

 

[peteblue]

So here it is all summed up for everyone perfectly:

Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?”

Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.”

Remainers “And do what exactly?”

Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.”

Remainers “But even you don’t know how!”

Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.”

Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?”

Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.”

Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts”

Leavers “Remain experts.”

Remainers “There are no Leave experts”

Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.”

Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!”

Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.”

Remainers “You’re delusional.”

Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.”

By Ishtar Ostaria
Source: ft.com

....and make it snappy.......

 

[peteblue]

So, the so-called "project fear" starts to become a reality with the forecast increase in borrowing of £122 billion over the next 3 years as a result of Brexit.

That increase is as much debt as the UK owed in total in 1982, after the first Thatcher recession.

Was that before Labour went on a spending and borrowing spree.......

 

[Barnfred 55]

So here it is all summed up for everyone perfectly:

Remainers (left holding the Brexit baby after the Leavers… left) “WTF?”

Leavers “We voted Brexit, now You Remainers need to implement it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “The People Have Spoken. Therefore it is possible. You just have to think positively.”

Remainers “And do what exactly?”

Leavers “Come up with a Plan that will leave us all better off outside the EU than in it”

Remainers “But it’s not possible!”

Leavers “Quit with the negative vibes. The People Have Spoken.”

Remainers “But even you don’t know how!”

Leavers “That’s your problem, we’ve done our bit and voted, we’re going to sit here and eat popcorn and watch as you do it.”

Remainers “Shouldn’t you do it?”

Leavers “It’s not up to us to work out the detail, it’s up to you experts.”

Remainers “I thought you’d had enough of experts”

Leavers “Remain experts.”

Remainers “There are no Leave experts”

Leavers “Then you’ll have to do it then. Oh, and by the way, no dragging your feet or complaining about it, because if you do a deal we don’t want, we’ll eat you alive.”

Remainers “But you don’t know what you want!”

Leavers “We want massive economic growth, no migration, free trade with the EU and every other country, on our terms, the revival of British industry, re-open the coal mines, tea and vicars on every village green, some bunting, and maybe restoration of the empire.”

Remainers “You’re delusional.”

Leavers “We’re a delusional majority. DEMOCRACY! So do the thing that isn’t possible, very quickly, and give all Leavers what they want, even though they don’t know what they want, and ignore the 16 million other voters who disagree. They’re tight trouser latte-sipping hipsters who whine all the time, who cares.”

By Ishtar Ostaria
Source: ft.com

What an absolute load of old tosh

 

[neil999]

There is a generalised misconception on 'brexiteers' and while all the finger wagging and foot stomping is carried out by these 'hipster' remainers the real culprits are avoiding responsibility.

Why was the referendum a single unquantified question for such a complex decision? Were the public considered too dumb to digest genuine arguments?

The use of a single question was so that the complexity could be reduced to a single issue, that of immigration. The press ensured it was a narrow discussion so that a factional split could be created.

I work with avery savvy Frenchman, we talk politics quite often and he thought similarly that the decision was oversimplified and designed to play on fears and an undercurrent of xenophobia promoted by the press, something he believes is happening jn France now, Germany also.

The whole fiasco was a pincer movement a choice of which cancer we'd like to contract. Without a quantified question with contingent clauses we were always going to be caught between a rock and another bigger rock.

I keep saying that this is just a game and the only way the people can win is to stop playing, it's rigged from start to finish.

i dont really understand this? why were they trying to cause a factional split? to try and get a remain vote?

 

[neil999]

Was that before Labour went on a spending and borrowing spree.......

osborne wanted to match labours spending....

 

[peteblue]

Can't believe anything written on a bus..........

 

[neil999]

Can't believe anything written on a bus..........

thats a fancy looking bus too...