Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Not at all. Brexit is one domino, and if it was in isolation then it would probably be no big deal (relatively speaking), but I said at the time that Brexit may have an influence beyond our shores, and that has proved correct with Trump in America. Brexit + Trump will no doubt have an influence in the European elections in the coming year, and the odds have to have jumped that people like Wilders and Le Pen will win in Holland and France respectively, not to mention far right leaders in Austria and throughout the Visegrad.

That to me is incredibly worrying and you get an environment akin to a giant Stanford Prison Experiment whereby intolerance is rapidly acceptable throughout Europe, because frankly who is there going to stop it?

Merkel's open door policy was another Domino, the way the EU is trying to become the USE is another Domino, they were even earlier down the line.......
 
I was a remainer mate, but it looks like those predicting Armageddon if we voted to leave the EU look a tad foolish at this moment in time.

Here's the thing I guess. Structurally the UK has been a fantastic place to have a business for some time now. It's no coincidence that we've been high up in the annual WIPO/INSEAD conditions for innovation study for a few years, and indeed were rated the 2nd best country in the world for that in the 2016 edition. That's great.

Here comes the but. A lot of those conditions for success are rather uncertain at the moment. We don't know, for instance, what kind of environment for attracting bright students to our universities will be, nor the funding situation for research. We don't know what the passporting situation will be for finance, nor how the life science sector will adapt when the European Medicines Agency relocates from its current London base. Indeed, there are quite substantial EU venture capital funds that will be distinctly uncertain, as will the abilities of Google et al to attract people to work for them. Of course, they may take what we have and make them even better (I would wager that's unlikely given the mandate given via the Leave vote, but you never know), but right now, we simply don't know.

So that's one end of the spectrum and a good deal of don't knows until the process is much further along. The other thing to consider of course is that very few of these corporate investments will be made in the kind of places where leave votes dominated. Google expanding its offices will be great for the already thriving King's Cross area, but it's unlikely to help Boston, Lincolnshire a great deal, and we're regularly told that Brexit is part of a wider process to reinvigorate these kind of places where a lot of people feel left behind by globalisation. I'm not sure we're any clearer yet on just how it will achieve that.
 
Merkel's open door policy was another Domino, the way the EU is trying to become the USE is another Domino, they were even earlier down the line.......

That's one reason I posted the second article earlier today, as it was examining the decision back in 2004 to fully open up to the A8 countries. As the Oxford stats I shared show, fiscally this has been a great deal for the country, but the article argued that politically the chicken is coming home to roost. You could argue that some differentiate between A8 migrants and Syrian refugees, but it's two sides of the same coin for me.

Now the argument is, if such things are good for the country from a fiscal perspective, and I'm sure we all benefit from cultural richness as well, is it not therefore a political argument that we should be championing rather than pouring scorn on, because if you blame Merkel now then you blame Blair back in 2004. The situation isn't really any different, it's just a different nationality of 'other'.
 
Both of which are behind Eu exports to the UK, what point are you making.....

I misread your quote, I thought you said US, China and Russia combined so I apologise.

However I will continue to make this point that the UK represents 16% of all EU exports whilst the EU represents 45 % of all UK exports.

You've been in business, tell me which is more significant to the other?
 
I misread your quote, I thought you said US, China and Russia combined so I apologise.

However I will continue to make this point that the UK represents 16% of all EU exports whilst the EU represents 45 % of all UK exports.

You've been in business, tell me which is more significant to the other?

I thought that may have been the case. My point and question still stands though why would you not do a deal with your largest trading partner ?
 
Not at all. Brexit is one domino, and if it was in isolation then it would probably be no big deal (relatively speaking), but I said at the time that Brexit may have an influence beyond our shores, and that has proved correct with Trump in America. Brexit + Trump will no doubt have an influence in the European elections in the coming year, and the odds have to have jumped that people like Wilders and Le Pen will win in Holland and France respectively, not to mention far right leaders in Austria and throughout the Visegrad.

That to me is incredibly worrying and you get an environment akin to a giant Stanford Prison Experiment whereby intolerance is rapidly acceptable throughout Europe, because frankly who is there going to stop it?


Are there not some far left leaders around other than our own Jeremy and Co?
 
I misread your quote, I thought you said US, China and Russia combined so I apologise.

However I will continue to make this point that the UK represents 16% of all EU exports whilst the EU represents 45 % of all UK exports.

You've been in business, tell me which is more significant to the other?


Not a question of % but of value.

PS, nice to be on ignore!;)
 
Nazis did 'win' an election though didn't they - albeit not a total majority?

Could be wrong.
Mate with all due respect, the Nazis rise to power was far more complex then a simple 'win' at an election. Even when they became the largest party in the equivalent of their parliament it wouldn't of been enough to actually gain any power in itself. Furthermore Hitler was never elected to any position of government power, nobody voted Hitler to be the Chancellor of Germany and he certainly was never elected to be the Fuhrer of the Rich. It would take literally thousands of pages to properly explain the rise of the Nazis but it definitely wasn't due to something as simple as a election victory.
 
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