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[Joey66]

No, no no.

The courts can give guidance. Only the HOC can make laws.

Hence Mays appeal to the High Court.

And we cannot invoke A50 without a vote in the HOC. That is the basis of our democracy since the Civil War, which the winner wrestled absolute power from the Monarch, to Parliament.

How did we get a referendum then?

 

[roydo]

That red bus I had the intelligence to know it was propaganda , but the leaflet that cost 9 million pound from the government had even more propaganda in it or as world war three started yet?
Or when is the emergency budget on the poor started yet?
No growth up exports up!

So, do you accept that the HOC will have a vote?

Its not a difficult question.

 

[roydo]

How did we get a referendum then?

Cos the winning party proposed it, and the HOC passed it. As you have said, repeatedly.

 

[Joey66]

No, no no.

The courts can give guidance. Only the HOC can make laws.

Hence Mays appeal to the High Court.

And we cannot invoke A50 without a vote in the HOC. That is the basis of our democracy since the Civil War, which the winner wrestled absolute power from the Monarch, to Parliament.

So if the Supreme Court overrule the high court according to you we have a constitutional crisis?

 

[roydo]

So if the Supreme Court overrule the high court according to you we have a constitutional crisis?

I asked a simple question mate. Which you have not answered. Will the HOC vote on A50 or not? I struggle to see why that is so difficult to respond to.

Parliament make the law, courts interpret them. So no. No crisis, HOC could just pass another law.

 

[Joey66]

Cos the winning party proposed it, and the HOC passed it. As you have said, repeatedly.

Exactly the HOC have already voted on the referendum in favour of 6-1 May wants to act on the result of OUT
It's now in the hands of the dudicical courts what happens after the Supreme Court result is then a guess of maybe a quick bill to push article 50 through if the Supreme Court overturns the high court are you going to moan about that too?

 

[hullefc]

I asked a simple question mate. Which you have not answered. Will the HOC vote on A50 or not? I struggle to see why that is so difficult to respond to.

Parliament make the law, courts interpret them. So no. No crisis, HOC could just pass another law.

That is what they will have to do to repeal the 1972 European Communities 1972. The government can invoke Article 50 but the House of Commons has to pass a Bill to get rid of the 1972 Act from the statute.

 

[roydo]

Exactly the HOC have already voted on the referendum in favour of 6-1 May wants to act on the result of OUT
It's now in the hands of the dudicical courts what happens after the Supreme Court result is then a guess of maybe a quick bill to push article 50 through if the Supreme Court overturns the high court are you going to moan about that too?

Not moaning mate. Not that arsed either way.

Just waiting for you answer to a very simple question.

Should the HOC have a vote on A50?

Yes or No.

 

[Old Blue 2]

but the leaflet that cost 9 million pound from the government had even more propaganda in it or as world war three started yet?

And smart PM Cameron nearly got sued as head of the Government for breaching copyright by using the photo in the centre of the leaflet. Yep, that was copyright material belonging to a a professional photographer that the Government simply took and used without reference to him. Hilarious, but at the same time, a disgrace!!!

 

[Joey66]

Not moaning mate. Not that arsed either way.

Just waiting for you answer to a very simple question.

Should the HOC have a vote on A50?

Yes or No.

Its in the hands of the supreme court if the government lose that the yes by law will but a solution together imo thats twice that Parliment have voted over a referendrum on the EU!

 

[peteblue]

I took the outcome to the nth degree. It was parody; noting that if this referendum was so sacrosanct, then we may as well have either no referendum ever again about it, or a referendum about everything humanly possible about it.

The point being that if people are so for respecting this referendum and allowing it to dictate everything about our exit, then we don't have a negotiating position, as we're leaving regardless. So the EU can screw us over.

The real point I was making was the very last sentence. Parliament should be what decides if the terms to leave are acceptable, and they should be able to do so without being hamstrung by an advisory referendum and therefore free to turn down the terms of leaving the EU if they are not acceptable.

I don't think anyone is arguing with this Tubey, the final deal should have parliamentary approval. But the article 50 initiation has been decided by the vote........

 

[Tubey]

I don't think anyone is arguing with this Tubey, the final deal should have parliamentary approval. But the article 50 initiation has been decided by the vote........

Agreed completely. That's why I'm not bothered about that court case - that's simply about who has the right to activate it; parliament or executive. It's nit-picking; either way it gets activated.

And people are arguing about it sadly, hence the last 10 pages or so.

 

[peteblue]

Agreed completely. That's why I'm not bothered about that court case - that's simply about who has the right to activate it; parliament or executive. It's nit-picking; either way it gets activated.

And people are arguing about it sadly, hence the last 10 pages or so.

Indeed, we should argue about the final deal, but the activation has been decided........it's just that some on here cannot accept it.......

 

[Tubey]

Indeed, we should argue about the final deal, but the activation has been decided........it's just that some on here cannot accept it.......

Who?

Honest question that - can't be bothered trawling through the thread, but I don't recall anyone saying A50 shouldn't be activated. At most they're saying Theresa May shouldn't be allowed to do it via executive action, and that it should go through the HOC.

 

[peteblue]

Not moaning mate. Not that arsed either way.

Just waiting for you answer to a very simple question.

Should the HOC have a vote on A50?

Yes or No.

No, that road has been fine for years and needs no further amendments........