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[Joey66]

That 'nonsense' being the correct democratic process being adhered to.

The courts aren't demanding anything in relation to article 50, barring that the Govt get the approval of parliament. In order to gain that approval they're going to have to give some details on what Brexit means Brexit actually consists of.

It's neither a waste of time, nor is it putting us on the back foot. This idea of a cloak and dagger negotiation strategy to somehow out fox the EU is beyond laughable.

I'll pass on making comment about the supposed integrity of the politicians you've mentioned at the end there. Albeit I will say that maybe they just don't agree with you Joey. It seems that anyone who challenges the idea that Brexit is boss gets their character assassinated. See Gina Millar and the 3 judges for details.

When the vote on article 50 is passed only then can a blueprint be negotiated by our sovereign parliment as article 50 is enshrined in EU law you can not negotiate before hand other than wanting to stay in !
the referendum advised the government or parliment of the day they wanted OUT.
That is all that was passed not a detailed negotiation plan before article 50 so let the vote commence no worries imo!

 

[Joey66]

The courts ruling (if upheld) will mean that there'll have to be a debate on the Govt's priorities by default, as the idea that May can just rock up and say sign here lads I'll let you know how I get on, is an absolute nonsense. Parliament & then the Lords will decide whether they agree with them, if not they'll have to amend whatever Bill they put forward in order to get it through, it's really not complicated.

As for the EU, the UK can have hard Brexit without the EU being able to counter anything, we just leave and to hell with the consequences.

Anything a tad more sensible will require negotiation, but the idea that we can't set out a clear definition of what we're going to aim to retain is nonsense.

I'd rather have an extended period of uncertainty than a Brexit that's wreckless, wrongly prioritised and cripples our economy for a decade plus.

In bold they will have a debate ask for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow agree on it sign article 50 and the enshrined EU law the EU say get lost what is the point of all that in bold yes a debate but the government of the day put in the motion of brexit in, and all can you see the SNP agreeing with anything?
Ken Clarke stated great lets have stalling meeting through the night great democracy NOT!

 

[Joey66]

Firstly, it would be strange if they put something on the ballot paper to suggest that they were going to circumvent parliament.

Secondly, this isn't some 'technicality', it's how the Westminster system of Parliamentary democracy works.

Its that technical it went back to 1610 but the law is the law and it will be dealt with in a democratic way just like the referendum result!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Its that technical it went back to 1610 but the law is the law and it will be dealt with in a democratic way just like the referendum result!

That doesn't make it technical. That makes it embedded in our constitution.

 

[Joey66]

That doesn't make it technical. That makes it embedded in our constitution.

Embed it al you want watc Jacob Rees Mogg on the DP today he's spot on as a parliamentary historian!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Embed it al you want watc Jacob Rees Mogg on the DP today he's spot on as a parliamentary historian!

I didn't embed it personally, I don't have that kind of power.

Sadly mate, I have to work full-time and don't have time to listen to Rees-Mogg making points that could be iterated in five words last for an hour.

It's a part of our uncodified constitution, that is fact.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Embed it al you want watc Jacob Rees Mogg on the DP today he's spot on as a parliamentary historian!

The same Rees Mogg who's today called on the PM to appoint 1000 Lords to flood the upper chamber with friendlies and do a Lloyd George you mean?

Pardon me if I take Mr Rees Mogg's view on our democracy with a pinch of salt.

 

[Joey66]

I didn't embed it personally, I don't have that kind of power.

Sadly mate, I have to work full-time and don't have time to listen to Rees-Mogg making points that could be iterated in five words last for an hour.

It's a part of our uncodified constitution, that is fact.

If you work full time and are so hard pressed watch it tonight!

 

[peteblue]

In bold they will have a debate ask for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow agree on it sign article 50 and the enshrined EU law the EU say get lost what is the point of all that in bold yes a debate but the government of the day put in the motion of brexit in, and all can you see the SNP agreeing with anything?
Ken Clarke stated great lets have stalling meeting through the night great democracy NOT!

I can't get excited about all this really. The Government will either get the result they want at the SC or they will get the result they want via parliament, either way article 50 will be initiated, negotiations will take place, we will end up wherever we end up and we leave the EU...........

 

[Toffeelover]

Yes it would stop the nonsense do what the courts want a vote on article 50 not your interpretation of lines in the sand on how we Brexit should be done that was not in the judgment, as I have stated before Parliment can come up with any agreed brexit to suit all parties except the SNP to find the EU will just say no thanks you cannot have that ?
pointless waste of time of negotiation puts our country on the back foot -Keir Starmer to reiterated Article 50 will be passed with just a basic outline of what Brexit we are going for!
Its the likes of Nick Clegg with 8 mps that annoys me as as he once worked in the EU he can see his future pension going down the plughole!
Tony Blair will lose a fortune too and the Kinnocks, Peter Mandelson etc all on the EU gravy train of future pension pots! as a coincidence the very strong voices of Remain after the vote!

In Belfast, the action was chucked out of the court on the basis this was within the province of the UK parliament not Belfast.

 

[The Esk]

Commons statement now

 

[Joey66]

So you agree Parliament should be consulted on the detail of what Brexit actually should mean then, we got there in the end

A basic outline of goals yes!

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

@Toffeelover

I'm repeating his point back to him in laymans, so if you think that it makes that poster look like a moron then...

 

[Joey66]

I can't get excited about all this really. The Government will either get the result they want at the SC or they will get the result they want via parliament, either way article 50 will be initiated, negotiations will take place, we will end up wherever we end up and we leave the EU...........

Spot on @peteblue ...................

 

[Joey66]

@Toffeelover

I'm repeating his point back to him in laymans, so if you think that it makes that poster look like a moron then...

Don't get personal I am not a moron a mod on here stated stop being personal any more remarks like that you will get reported please retract that word!